michael moore showing the truth
POSTED BY: hostile17Now
UPDATED: Sunday, December 23, 2007 02:25
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Originally posted by hostile17Now:
this does not have a damm thing to do with michael moore
I hated the right since I could walk
oh and when thay aka the man... thought about deporting billy idol ........
This post, and your previous one too, clearly shows that at least part of what you're trying to communicate is true....that you have been "dumbed-down".
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Nonetheless most people feel our health-care system is broken. And compared to other developed nations, it is: We spend more $$ for less care than anyone else, and our health stats show it. So does our overall lack of "productivity". (Health care sucks too much $$$ from other companies.) Set Michael Moore aside and look at the facts from other sources. What you will find will shock you more than MM did.
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Always look upstream.
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I didn't know about this topic except through the Michael Moore website. The sad ending of the story, however, made it to CNN.
Teen dies hours after liver transplant approved
After protest outside California office, CIGNA Healthcare gave OK Thursday Girl died about 6 p.m. on Thursday
Quote:www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/conditions/12/21/teen.liver.transplant.ap/inde
GLENDALE, California (AP) -- A 17-year-old died just hours after her health insurance company reversed its decision not to pay for a liver transplant that doctors said the girl needed. Nataline Sarkisyan died Thursday night at about 6 p.m. at University of California, Los Angeles, Medical Center. She had been in a vegetative state for weeks, said her mother, Hilda.
"She passed away, and the insurance (company) is responsible for this," she said. "They took my daughter away from me," said Nataline's father, Krikor, who appeared at a news conference Friday with his 21-year-old son, Bedros.
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the insurance companies
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I'm not dumb! just trying to make humor!
theres only one idol and he's not american.
rebel yell/white wedding/eyes without a face etc.
and no I don't trust michael moore
I just liked the movie sicko, It makes a point
we pay our taxes
why should we not have free health-care...
for those who don't like me I love you anyway!
marry christmas I love you all......peace...
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Hello,
Well, a while back I was speaking to my friend in England, and was horrified to learn that 70% of his modest income was paid towards the various taxes of the land.
Now, you may be in favor of socialized medicine, and I completely understand the moral imperative behind that... But please debase yourself of the notion that socialized medicine is free. The related taxes are astronomical.
I myself would enjoy seeing taxes reduced, not increased. Of course, I am fortunate to have a good job with fair insurance. I might certainly feel differently if I had a minimum wage job and no insurance. A high tax percentage of my meagre income would then be a pittance, and the reward received in exchange would have huge value.
Meanwhile, the folks earning decent wages would be subsidizing the poorer elements of society. I am in favor of charity, but not compulsory charity. I don’t like the idea of forcing people to give money to the needy.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Quote:What about building bridges and roads? Public education? Funding the military? One could always say that the rich subsidize the poor whenever it comes to taxes, but then one could always make the argument that investing in "the commons" creates a good that no person, no matter how wealthy, can create for themselves by themselves.
Meanwhile, the folks earning decent wages would be subsidizing the poorer elements of society. I am in favor of charity, but not compulsory charity. I don’t like the idea of forcing people to give money to the needy.
In fact, I just heard a presentation that says that if you live in a highly segregated city, no matter how wealthy your are, your health care will be worse than an equally wealthy person who lives in a less segregated city.
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Always look upstream.
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Hello,
Any extreme can be detrimental. I recognize, for instance, that funding a common military is necessary to the survival of the country and its people.
But at some point, I feel a curve is reached where there stops being a monetary incentive to excel. A point of diminishing returns, if you will.
When more than half your income is dumped into taxes for the ‘common good,’ I feel that you begin to approach that point. I do not think that ‘total socialism’ is a good system, and I’m not entirely comfortable with empowering the government to take the majority of my wealth in exchange for taking care of the majority of my needs.
In my philosophy, the government exists to protect you and empower you to take care of yourself. At some point along the road to socialism, the government stops being a protector and enabler and instead becomes a demanding caregiver lacking in innovation or efficiency, and that’s where I feel it all breaks down.
To be completely honest, I also don’t like seeing people languish without adequate medical care. It hurts my heart, if you will. I wish I could find some balance between the two where I felt comfortable.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Let's lock Michael Moore and a prominent Neo-Con in a room. We could then find out what is really going on for ourselves.
"This is the 21st century, can't you get it through your head? This ain't the way it was meant to be, magic isn't dead." -- Marillion.
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Anthony... again, I must say that I agree with everything you've stated so eloquently. If people want to pay more of their money for medical care, go for it. Just don't take mine.
I'm not by any means rich and it's really hurting my pocket book when concentrated orange juice costs me twice what it did two years ago. Add on top of that the insane smoking taxes and the $1.00 per pack increase starting January 1st, and I'm borderline poor unless I quit, which I have no plans on doing.
And I know that when I have lung cancer at 55, there ain't going to be a dime of those taxes left for me to get medical help.
I'm already paying the taxes signy and I'm not going to be cared for. How much more do you suppose I should pay? You want me to pay 80% of my income in taxes while I lose more every year that the inflation rate dwarfs my measley "cost of living" increases?
What's even scarier is that John Edwards is on MTV saying that the Government should pay for every child to go to college. WTF is happening!
If you want government healthcare and college, go to Canada. You'll be missed.
I'm not trying to be rude here, but I'm going to have to get one of those jobs American's don't want and work for money under the table soon. I'll be taking home more every week than most white collar folk.
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Originally posted by hostile17Now:
I'm not dumb! just trying to make humor!theres only one idol and he's not american. rebel yell/white wedding/eyes without a face etc.
and no I don't trust michael moore I just liked the movie sicko, It makes a point we pay our taxes why should we not have free health-care...
for those who don't like me I love you anyway!
marry christmas I love you all......peace...
Heh... I don't think it be possible for me not to like you. Just the way you write makes me giggle a bit. And that's a good thing.
I do believe that you've been mislead quite a bit and I don't blame you for it. That's Mr. Moore's fortay, and that of his leftist cohorts.... pull at the heartstrings of idealistic people who generally don't know much about taxes or the real cost of things and lead the proles to communism like the Pied Piper.
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BTW... we've never talked before, so before you take me for a Republican idiot, I figured I'd just let you know that I'm one of the original Bush haters. I hated him before it was cool. I have said that he will singlehandedly bring down America and usher in the New World Order. I've been quoted as saying that he is not a Christian at all and he is keeping the seat warm for the Anti-Christ.
If there's anything I hate more than a Democrat, it's a Neo-Con Rethug.
Hope your feelings didn't get hurt by anything anyone said in here. We're a mean group sometimes and we tend to bite, but we're really not bad people. Just VERY opinionated.
"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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