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POSTED BY: jewelstaitefan
UPDATED: Friday, December 19, 2008 17:29
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Wednesday, December 12, 2007 2:26 AM

The theme song begins with the line, "Take my love..." Does this mean Mal's compasion or did he have a girlfreind (or something more serious with someone)? If a girlfriend, wouldn't that be oh-so-intersting when Mal and Inara got serious and the old flame shows up?!




"I've got a theory: it could be bunnies."
-Anya, Buffy the Vampire Slayer: "Once More with Feeling"

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Wednesday, December 12, 2007 4:53 AM

I always liked in War Stories when Inara shows her client out, Jayne says "I'll be in my bunk" and Zoe comes out with "Jayne, grab your weapon". However, the script makes it clear this is to be obvious (to everybody but Jayne), so we can't really call it subtle.

Also, int the pilot, I've been mostly puzzled when at the end, Mal says to Simon that, among other things, he ain't weak, and that ain't nothing - I didn't see how he would be referring to Simon's physical strength, or strong doctoring skills, or strong fighting ability, but I didn't conjure a whole lot about it. Now it dawns on me that Mal was probably referring to Simon's rescuing River, defying the Alliance, saving an innocent - that is what Mal sees as strength, and that perhaps Simon is human enough, despite his upbringing and social status, that he and Mal can work out the sharing of mutual space for a while.

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Wednesday, December 12, 2007 6:50 AM

Yeah, I don't really get it when people characterize Simon as a weak whiny person. I think he's one of the strongest on the show. Hell, I dunno if I could become an fugitive and run to the ass end of just this globe to save one of my siblings let alone an entire galaxy/system/'verse!

Also, not exactly subtle but pretty much all the bamboo you see in Jaynestown is dead.

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Wednesday, December 12, 2007 3:21 PM

I think "Y'ain't weak" is Mal-nese for "Hey, I'm sorry I knocked you ass over teakettle twice just on the first day we met." (And I would not be surprised at ALL if Mal has a plant made out of space!polyester in his bunk.)

Also, I think that looking under the placemats makes sense in case, f'rex, that's where they keep the lever that opens up the Sekrit Fugitive Hiding Room, or the key to the same, or a note that says, "Dear Wash: Hang a left, we have to drop off the fugitives on Boros, signed, Mal."

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Wednesday, December 12, 2007 3:38 PM

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Also, int the pilot, I've been mostly puzzled when at the end, Mal says to Simon that, among other things, he ain't weak, and that ain't nothing - I didn't see how he would be referring to Simon's physical strength, or strong doctoring skills, or strong fighting ability, but I didn't conjure a whole lot about it.

Well, Mal did credit Simon for Kaylee's speedy recovery. I think he really meant that, overall, Simon wasn't entirely useless, unlike River (at the time).




"I've got a theory: it could be bunnies."
-Anya, Buffy the Vampire Slayer: "Once More with Feeling"

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Wednesday, December 12, 2007 8:27 PM

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Originally posted by PhyreLight:

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:

Also, int the pilot, I've been mostly puzzled when at the end, Mal says to Simon that, among other things, he ain't weak, and that ain't nothing - I didn't see how he would be referring to Simon's physical strength, or strong doctoring skills, or strong fighting ability, but I didn't conjure a whole lot about it.

Well, Mal did credit Simon for Kaylee's speedy recovery. I think he really meant that, overall, Simon wasn't entirely useless, unlike River (at the time).



Yes, that. Plus, I think Mal was really also referring to his physical strength (with regard to Simon's handling of Dobson, for instance). Mal, I think, just meant to say he saw in Simon an able and capable person.


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Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:12 AM

In BDM I've always been bothered at the end, when KayLee finally gets some, River's hair is not visible when she's upside down in the ceiling. That always seemed goofy to me.

Also in BDM, until reading the script I never recognized Derria Book's final lines to Mal as paraphrasing Tom Hanks/Capt Miller's final lines to Matt Damon/Pvt Ryan in Saving Private Ryan, which was a film Nathan was in.

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Monday, December 17, 2007 8:00 AM

I normally am bothered by the sound problem at the opening. When the Universal logo zooms in on Earth that was, the teacher's voice is saturated or overmodulated, and I find it annoying. I never figured out if this was an intentional sound, meant as an FX, (and if so, what was it supposedd to mean?) or if it was merely a recording or editing error.
Does anybody know the answer?
My best guess on either count was that they wanted to use the pre-existing vocal recording from the series, and then blend/merge the sound from Tamara's voice for the opening classroom scene. Whether it was intentional to indicate the point of transferrance, or it was a technical difficulty in mixing, I haven't read comment about it.

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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 9:01 PM

Hi everyone, I'm delurking at long last to post for the first time!

I was watching 'Ariel' yesterday, and I noticed that when Jayne is waiting for their hospital uniforms to be dropped off, you see him sending a message on the Cortex. That must have been when he contacted the Feds! I'm sorry if this has been said loads of times, but it honestly didn't occur to me until yesterday.

Another thing I noticed during 'Serenity': just after Mal shoots Dobson, you see Zoe pause for a moment and look down at the body before she goes to shut the door. It made me wonder why (Zoe's my favourite character so I tend to concentrate on her the most). Maybe she didn't approve of the way Mal killed Dobson, but felt she couldn't say anything? Hmm...

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Wednesday, December 19, 2007 5:12 AM

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Originally posted by PhyreLight:
In "Objects in Space" when Jubal Early asks Kaylee if she had ever been raped, she doesn't answer him. Instead, she says that the captain is just down the hall. Why didn't she answer the question? Had she been raped in the past and was afraid to admit it? One of the big theories about the show is that everyone on Serenity was running from something. Is this what she was running from?



Kaylee has, in some ways, the most mysterious past... compared to the others whose story is more upfront (except Book, and they have a curious connection).
One possible hint?
I have puzzled on the introduction given to she and the captain on entering the "Shindig" - "Kaywinnet Lee Frye,and escort" kinda sounds like someone with "standing" (accompanied by someone without). Maybe running from being the misfit tom-girl of a well-to-do family?

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