Make someone else a leaf on the wind
POSTED BY: chapterandverse
UPDATED: Wednesday, December 5, 2007 23:51
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If there ever is a BDM Sequel, don't be surprised if Joss has Serenity crashing to the ground, killing all aboard, on their way to receiving their Medals of Freedom from the newly sworn-in Parliament, which replaced the old, evil Parliament after the Miranda scandal.
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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
I'm fine with Wash having been killed off. His death and that of Book, had the right amount of impact.
I completely agree. The deaths of both Wash and Book had a profound impact on fans, showing that this situation was very serious and that the lives of all of the crew were in very real danger. Joss wanted us to know that no one is safe and unlike most movies the cast is not exempt from death because their names appear on the marquis.
Also recall that Alan himself discussed Wash dying at some point in the second or third season of the show and since the movie wrapped up the River/Alliance story arc, it seems that Alan was right.
I was deeply moved by the death of Wash, moreso than Book. Book has always been a mystery, but what we know of him suggests a man seeking redemption. Perhaps his death defending the people of Haven was the redemption his character sought, while also acting as a means for Joss to keep from having to divulge Book's secret past. So, in short I was okay with Book's death. Not so much Wash's demise. That shock though was what Joss was looking for when he wrote it that way.
If I had to choose someone to die other than Wash, I would have to say I would have picked Simon. Simon could have died protecting River or better yet saving Kaylee, leaving their love unrequitted and allowing a good opportunity for some character development on Kaylee's part. Of all the crew Simon's job as River's protector seems to have become the most obsolete. With River now more in control of herself and being a whirling machine of death she no longer needs Simon's protection. His death also could have been a great catalyst for River development.
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Originally posted by PhyreLight:Quote:True! Joss has called Kaylee the heart of the show. Everyone knows that you can't kill the heart of the show.
Originally posted by micjwelch:
Well, let's go through the list.
Kaylee - Kill the little girl? Are you kidding?
No
Inara is the heart, Kaylee is the sens of family in the show, if she dide there'd be nothing to keep every one together they'd all go their separate ways, except Mal and Zoe.
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I will put my head above the parapet on this one: I would have been much happier if Inara had been the BDM casualty. I never thought a great deal of her character so the Mal/Inara relationship never interested me, and, well, she was not very useful in the final showdown. It would have left a sad Mal but an unbroken Wash/Zoe, one of the few genuinely interesting married couples in TV land.
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I have to say, I was surprised Simon wasn't killed off, and he's tied as my favorite character with River. But now that I look at it, it wouldn't have been right. Simon has grown so much since the beginning of the series, but he still has a long way to go. Especially since almost all the focus was on his relationship with River, so that we only got glimpses of the other sides of him; it wouldn't be right, from a writer's point of view, to kill him off just as new doors were being opened for him. But I do think Simon will die in the next reincarnation of Firefly, and I think that's the right direction for his character to go. Wash, on the other hand, is a stable character. Where does he have to develop as a character?
I watched the movie first, and didn't much see Wash as someone important, and even after seeing the series many times, I still don't see a real purpose for him as a character. He's fun, but fun gets really old if you have more than 14 episodes. I love Wash, and I'll miss him, but I think it's better that he was killed off before people started complaining about how he was a one-note character. And really, I mean no disrespect or offense to any of the Wash-lovers out there...but some things have to be done in writing, and I think this had to be done. Yes, I said had, and I meant it literally. Writing, good writing anyway, is not about making the fans happy: it's about creating a masterpiece.
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Book's death was understandable in the story context, he was all about getting the "message of belief" to Mal. Mal got it and ran with it, Book's job was done, he dies, and we get it.
Wash's death is not understood so much. The best explanation I've read was it is Joss's way of letting the fans know that the TV series verse (Firefly) was over with and the movie format (Serenity) was the way the story would continue.
Wash and Zoë worked well as the "married couple" in the series, juxtaposed with Mal/Inara's and Simon/Kaylee's painful romantic interludes, but to continue married issues, like child bearing and rearing, into two hour action films, would be awkward and stilted. If there are no issues to explore (us married folks already know what married "means" and "looks" like) why devote precious screen time to them? Wash dies a hero by flying his family to safety. It works.
Joss had to scale back the ensemble cast and make room for a new character, probably a love interest for our Lil Albatross. So, Wash dying kind of makes sense in this context. And he needed Zoë, Jayne, and River for the fight. Kaylee and Inara are the spoils for Simon's and Mal's heroic acts, respectively.
I do agree that Simon will be next, because he would have been another possibility. A story can only have so many heroes.
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And besides, Simon was always the martyr character...he was doomed to eventually never get what he wanted/deserved. Just not until it would mean the most.
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I wept when Wash died...I was devestated when Book ate it...but I think Joss made the right choice, coz it's his creation and therefore his choice...I think I would have been sad if any of them had died particularly Jayne.
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Originally posted by Platonist:
Wash and Zoë worked well as the "married couple" in the series, juxtaposed with Mal/Inara's and Simon/Kaylee's painful romantic interludes, but to continue married issues, like child bearing and rearing, into two hour action films, would be awkward and stilted. If there are no issues to explore (us married folks already know what married "means" and "looks" like) why devote precious screen time to them?
Are all married relationships the same but all painful romantic interludes different? Zoe and Wash had a very interesting relationship, married or single, because they were very different characters. I think that they had lots of issues to explore, a great deal more than the relationships starting and stopping around them.
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Joss had to scale back the ensemble cast and make room for a new character, probably a love interest for our Lil Albatross. So, Wash dying kind of makes sense in this context. And he needed Zoë, Jayne, and River for the fight. Kaylee and Inara are the spoils for Simon's and Mal's heroic acts, respectively.
Woah, kaylee and Inara are the spoils for Simon and Mal's heroic acts!!
And Zoe gets a dead husband as reward for her heroic acts instead of a grateful spoilee??? That is very, very dubious reasoning.
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Ah, married issue... Zoe should have valued her husbands wishes, and LEAVE the ship, had a child (like she said she wanted) and start a family, instead of blindly following her old army CO, out of missed placed loyalty. Wash was constantly asking her for time ALONE and away.
Zoe's weakness is not prioritizing her needs and her inability to create a future solely lands her in a weak female position in my book. So... NO REWARD! for her.
And I do believe it is Jayne, Simon and Inara that save her behind when she is on her revenge rampage.
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