Evil lefty Liberal subversive media lies about Bush, the war, the vets, and Rush Limbaugh's drug addiction!!!!
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 19:45
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Quote:As several people have pointed out already the tax cuts led to DECLINING revenues in constant-dollars. (In other words, any increase in amount is less than an increase caused by inflation.) That's what the figures show. And "erasing the deficit"? Hmmm.... since Bush came into office with a surplus, who do you suppose caused the deficit? If you're so delusional about basic finance (1) I'd hate to see your checkbook and (2) Why should I trust you to come up with any reasonable tax scheme?
Easy. Cut spending. The tax cuts brought in more $$ to the US treasury and are helping erase the defecit already, while keeping the economy growing at a very reasonable rate.
Quote:Except we don't OWN the oil. the Iraqis do. Or... is this a backhand admission that the war was all about oil all along? Or are you going to say "We gave them freedom, so we take the oil"? Hmmm, there used to be another nation that said that.
skim some $$ off of the Iraqi oil sales.
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Originally posted by rue:
Rap, I kept hearing about 'rules' that were supposed to keep democrats out, but in real life (where most of the rest of us live) they didn't exist. So pardon me if I don't credit your whole 'they apologized 'cause they were wrong' schtick.
Your reply makes no sense, what so ever. Do try again.
"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Sig, the tax cuts did indeed bring in more revenue to the treasury. That's a fact. Deal with it.
Bush came in w/ a PROJECTED surplus, one which was never achieved because of the recession, which began in the latter part of the Clinton/Gore eara. Bush OVER SPENT even before the war w/ Iraq, and continued to do so even after. From the farm subsidies to the perscription drug program, to the airline handout. Bush failed miserably when it came to being fiscally responsible. He hoped his generosity with OUR money would help solve the rift the Dems have caused in D.C. He was greatly mistaken.
I'm not 'delusional' about basic finance, I just happen to agree w/ what some of the brighter minds are saying about the issues.
Don't trust me, trust John Linder and Neal Boortz, who wrote - The Fair Tax Book .
"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by Kirkules:
Rue , why don't you just except the fact that you don't understand the US political system and get over it. Nobody in the US cares if other countries want to have convoluted systems with 15 parties were everybody gets equally say. The US is a Republic, not a pure democracy and most like it that way. Pure democracy gets you Hugo Chavez. We let the ignorant masses vote in this country but we don't let the them make foreign policy.
I don't know where you got the idea I said we lived in a democracy. I'm fully aware the Founders were against the idea of a democracy. Fact is, too few know that the word 'democracy' doesn't even appear in Declaration of Independence,the U.S. Constitution, or ANY State Constiitutions. Democracies are little more than mob rule.
"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sig, the tax cuts did indeed bring in more revenue to the treasury. That's a fact. Deal with it.
There is no question that cutting taxes can increase revenues. As most probably know this is demonstrated by the "Laffer Curve". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve There is however a point of diminishing return. This is also true of raising taxes. Raising taxes will generate more revenue to a point but when the penalty for working gets to high, revenues begin to fall. The trick is to to find the optimum taxation level to generate maximum revenue without discouraging hard work.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by Kirkules:
Rue , why don't you just except the fact that you don't understand the US political system and get over it. Nobody in the US cares if other countries want to have convoluted systems with 15 parties were everybody gets equally say. The US is a Republic, not a pure democracy and most like it that way. Pure democracy gets you Hugo Chavez. We let the ignorant masses vote in this country but we don't let the them make foreign policy.
I don't know where you got the idea I said we lived in a democracy.
Think you should read my post again. I was just trying to get Rue to drop the Republican debate nonsense.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:*unzips his fly, pees on AURaptor's shoe and sock, puts it away*
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Chris, you may continue to babble along all you want, but you're only humiliating yourself here.
Sorry, what was that AU? I wasn't concentrating....
I appreciate you wanting to cure my athlete's foot, but pee on your own feet, brother.
AU, the reason you vex me so is that much of what you post has truth to it- many of the hard facts are there, but certain key ones are ignored, or flat out turned around. You are SO CLOSE to truly understanding everything- but your ingrained bias makes the math impossible for you in the end.
I used to be just like you, albeit in the opposite direction. Everything the Republicans said were lies intended to further their evil plan of world domination and the end of civil rights. I credit Clinton with showing me the truth; no party has the franchise on being as*wipes. And where before I saw evil plans, I mostly now see bold ineptitude and bad planning.
AU, you need to get over yourself; you're no better at being 'the one who sees the truth' than anyone else. There is no one answer to any problem, just as there is rarely only one cause.
If I believe myself to see things more correctly than you (and I'll admit- boy do I
), it's only because I'm also more ready to believe I can be corrected on something if the info is presented to me. Perhaps when you reach your fourties, boy, you may acheive this flexibility...
Humble Chrisisall
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Kirkules, oops, nevermind. I was flipping back and forth between post, early Sun. a.m., pre caffeine, etc...
"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
AU, the reason you vex me so is that much of what you post has truth to it- many of the hard facts are there, but certain key ones are ignored, or flat out turned around. You are SO CLOSE to truly understanding everything- but your ingrained bias makes the math impossible for you in the end.
I used to be just like you, albeit in the opposite direction. Everything the Republicans said were lies intended to further their evil plan of world domination and the end of civil rights. I credit Clinton with showing me the truth; no party has the franchise on being as*wipes. And where before I saw evil plans, I mostly now see bold ineptitude and bad planning.
AU, you need to get over yourself; you're no better at being 'the one who sees the truth' than anyone else. There is no one answer to any problem, just as there is rarely only one cause.
If I believe myself to see things more correctly than you (and I'll admit- boy do I
Humble Chrisisall
Of course you believe you see things more correctly than I, that's called egocentrism. It's more apparent in children, but most grow out of it, with age and experience. So, there's hope for you still.
My biases aren't ingrained, as you claim, but in fact are learned. I don't call Demcorats liars and communist simply becasue they oppose Republicans, but because they indeed are liars and communist. It's a trick I learned while growing up, to actually listen to what some folks say and then compare it to what they do.
I consider myself a skeptic, in areas beyond just politics, which should not be confused w/ being a cynic. Cynics tend to be on the defensive about everything, tend to be anarchist and propagandist ( like P.N. ) and lack the abilty to see goodness anywhere. It's like Mal and Saffron, where he catches up the her ( in Our Mrs Reynolds ) and she points out that he only won because he had a better hand - this time. Saffron sees people as pawns in a game, to be played with and against another. Where as Mal sees people as either trusted friends, allies, folk who will stick up for one another, or as villains, to be avoided or dealt with accordingly.
Not sure if that helps, but I just wanted to toss some Firefly in the thread somewhere.
"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:Many people outside the US see George Bush as a more dangerous leader than Chavez, so it's hardly a conclusive argument.
Originally posted by Kirkules:
The US is a Republic, not a pure democracy and most like it that way. Pure democracy gets you Hugo Chavez.
Whether the US is a democracy or not depends on how you define 'democracy'. If by democracy you mean the original meaning, that of the system in use in Athens and Plato's warrior kings, then there is no democracy operating in the world today. However the accepted meaning of democracy today is one where the governing party is selected by vote, a definition the US fits in to.
Quote:Coming from the person who tells others they're idiots for not agreeing with him, and continually elevates his opinion to the level of unbiased undeniable fact, when it's nothing of the sort (and often in lieu of any coherent argument), all I can say is: let he who is without sin...
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Of course you believe you see things more correctly than I, that's called egocentrism. It's more apparent in children, but most grow out of it, with age and experience. So, there's hope for you still.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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