Oppose the Iraq war: have your property confiscated
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Sunday, January 4, 2026 15:05
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"BTW. I'd appreciate if you'd tell me exactly how many of the Iraqi war opposition have had their assets frozen since Pres. Bush signed his Executive Order in July."
How about you tell me how many he's tracking and spying on in pusuit of said order. Oh, you can't.
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Originally posted by rue:
"BTW. I'd appreciate if you'd tell me exactly how many of the Iraqi war opposition have had their assets frozen since Pres. Bush signed his Executive Order in July."
How about you tell me how many he's tracking and spying on in pusuit of said order. Oh, you can't.
Or, in other words, you got nothing.
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In other words, neither do you. Except your usual tactics of course.
The EO gives the TD the right to write whatever rules they want to write, spy wherever they wish to spy, make any judgments they care to make, evade any pretense of a jury or trial, and deprive people of property in a secret process.
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Originally posted by rue:
The EO gives the TD the right to write whatever rules they want to write, spy wherever they wish to spy, make any judgments they care to make, evade any pretense of a jury or trial, and deprive people of property in a secret process.
Proof? Analysis by an actual independent and un-biased authority? Evidence that such things are actually going on?
Here's a clue. Why does "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" not allow folks to stone adulterers, if they have 'free exercise' of their beliefs?
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Originally posted by rue:
"BTW. I'd appreciate if you'd tell me exactly how many of the Iraqi war opposition have had their assets frozen since Pres. Bush signed his Executive Order in July."
How about you tell me how many he's tracking and spying on in pusuit of said order. Oh, you can't.
Seriously rue, you're comparing apples to oranges. First, a claim has been made that neither you nor Sig can back up. For those making the charge, the burden of proof lies upon THEM to show its validity , or stfu. Second, you're presenting a non sequitur to geezer here, posing YOUR claim as his own, and then when he fails to answer YOUR question, that somehow validates your baseless position? Explain how that works again???
Oh, it doesn't. It's not more than childish qwips from an agenda blinded myrmidon.
Oh, and Sig, as per your remark of my vision of a " so called Liberal press ". Spare yourself the humiliation. We've been all over that, and again as noted w/ CNN, that the main stream US press is undeniably Left leaning, and not just be a little bit. It's wholesale biased.
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Quote:The "claim" has been made that Bush just legalized for himself the power to "hold" property based on secret evidence. The claim is true; just read the EO and you'll see for yourself.
First, a claim has been made that neither you nor Sig can back up. For those making the charge, the burden of proof lies upon THEM to show its validity , or stfu.
Now, since it doesn't involve jail time and they don't actually "take" your property (just keep you from accessing it) it can be done quickly and w/o a judge or jury or even military tribunal being involved. Quite frankly I see no real reason for this EO. Bush et al already have more power than the Constitution grants to declare citizens "illegal enemy combatants" and detain citizens in jail indefinitely w/o charges, to be tried by the military (which so far has handled these trials in a shameless manner by not allowing access to lawyers, keeping evidence secret- even from the defendent, and not allowing witnesses for the defense), he's laready set up equipment to spy on millions of Americans... what does he want to be? Dictator?
And just so you don't miss it, I'm going to repeat myself from earlier:
Part of the reason for bringing this up is in refutation of Auraptor's vision of the so-called "liberal press". During the aftermath of 9-11, the buildup to war with Iraq, and subsequent passage of bills which undermine our Constitutional protections, there was hardly a peep of protest in the mainstream media. A TRULY "liberal" press would have questioned whether these actions were truly necessary.
FWIW I don't think the press is "liberal", it's very status-quo and very lazy, presenting neither the arguments from the left nor from the right.
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Quote:Sadly, much of what you claim is false. Oh, sure, the EO is there, as you claim, but to date, has it been used ? Or misused to any amount ? Where's the proof ? The issues over whether international terrorist are due the same rights as US citizens seems fairly moot. Reveal where/ how said evidence was aquired to the Judicial system, and risk alerting terrorist organizations our methods ( SWIFT ) and there by making them harder to catch. Also, the false claime that Bush is 'spying' on millions of Americans. That's the biggest load of B.S. being repeated out in the ether as anything. We're trying to capture TERRORIST plotting another 9/11 type attack, we're not spying Peter and Lois Griffin!
Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:The "claim" has been made that Bush just legalized for himself the power to "hold" property based on secret evidence. The claim is true; just read the EO and you'll see for yourself.
First, a claim has been made that neither you nor Sig can back up. For those making the charge, the burden of proof lies upon THEM to show its validity , or stfu.
Now, since it doesn't involve jail time and they don't actually "take" your property (just keep you from accessing it) it can be done quickly and w/o a judge or jury or even military tribunal being involved. Quite frankly I see no real reason for this EO. Bush et al already have more power than the Constitution grants to declare citizens "illegal enemy combatants" and detain citizens in jail indefinitely w/o charges, to be tried by the military (which so far has handled these trials in a shameless manner by not allowing access to lawyers, keeping evidence secret- even from the defendent, and not allowing witnesses for the defense), he's laready set up equipment to spy on millions of Americans... what does he want to be? Dictator?
"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:Can you read? The EO is not specific to "international terrorists", it refers to "certain persons". I'm not gonna waste any more of my time on you either today. Come up with something even remotely factual and I'll reply.
international terrorist are due the same rights as US citizens seems fairly moot.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
I'm not gonna waste any more of my time on you either today. Come up with something even remotely factual and I'll reply.
Okay. Here's a list and links to a bunch of Executive Orders blocking property of folk involved in all sorts of conflicts. http://www.treasury.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/map/eolinks.shtml
Read a few and note that the language you are concerned about (Sect. 4, 5, and 6 of EO 13438) is pretty much boilerplate, and not specific to only the Iraq-related EO.
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Can you read? The EO is not specific to "international terrorists", it refers to "certain persons". I'm not gonna waste any more of my time on you either today. Come up with something even remotely factual and I'll reply.
international terrorist are due the same rights as US citizens seems fairly moot.
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I was talking about the false claim that Bush 'wire taps' millions of US citizens, when instead we're only trying to keep tabs on TERRORIST. Your comment about the specific E.O. wasn't what I was talking about in that instance, I'm just showing you how your position is wrong. I'm factually correct here. It makes sense to make such an E.O., because there are clearly to many zealots and crack pots inside the U.S., citizens, who would try anything to subvert the President, even committing treason or helping the terrorist, etc.....
"Hillary tried to get a million dollars for the Woodstock museum. I understand it was a major cultural and pharmaceutical event. I couldn't attend. I was tied up at the time." - John McCain
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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