Oppose the Iraq war: have your property confiscated
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Sunday, January 4, 2026 15:05
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"I'm really not sure what 27 tie dyed tee shirts and three VW buses go for now days."
Did you time-travel recently ? Have you forgotten to check your decade ? Your century ? Your millenium ?
"And don't forget (the) those uncashed check from mommy and daddy."
A lot of us here are old enough to be your parents, if not your grandparents, work real jobs and probably paid the taxes that got you your education.
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Kids nowadays. Sheesh.
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But seriously -
are you runing your mind on stereotypes and biases ?
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Sorry if I offended you. I didn't realise you were and American anti-war protester advocating violence.
"Rock Chalk, Jayhawk, KU"
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By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, as amended (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.)(IEEPA), the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.)(NEA), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code,
I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, find that, due to the unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by acts of violence threatening the peace and stability of Iraq and undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq and to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people, it is in the interests of the United States to take additional steps with respect to the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13303 of May 22, 2003, and expanded in Executive Order 13315 of August 28, 2003, and relied upon for additional steps taken in Executive Order 13350 of July 29, 2004, and Executive Order 13364 of November 29, 2004. I hereby order:
Section 1. (a) Except to the extent provided in section 203(b)(1), (3), and (4) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(1), (3), and (4)), or in regulations, orders, directives, or licenses that may be issued pursuant to this order, and notwithstanding any contract entered into or any license or permit granted prior to the date of this order, all property and interests in property of the following persons, that are in the United States, that hereafter come within the United States, or that are or hereafter come within the possession or control of United States persons, are blocked and may not be transferred, paid, exported, withdrawn, or otherwise dealt in: any person determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense,
(i) to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of:
(A) threatening the peace or stability of Iraq or the Government of Iraq; or
(B) undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people;
(ii) to have materially assisted, sponsored, or provided financial, material, logistical, or technical support for, or goods or services in support of, such an act or acts of violence or any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order; or
(iii) to be owned or controlled by, or to have acted or purported to act for or on behalf of, directly or indirectly, any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order.
(b) The prohibitions in subsection (a) of this section include, but are not limited to, (i) the making of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order, and (ii) the receipt of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services from any such person.
Sec. 2. (a) Any transaction by a United States person or within the United States that evades or avoids, has the purpose of evading or avoiding, or attempts to violate any of the prohibitions set forth in this order is prohibited.
(b) Any conspiracy formed to violate any of the prohibitions set forth in this order is prohibited.
Sec. 3. For purposes of this order:
(a) the term "person" means an individual or entity;
(b) the term "entity" means a partnership, association, trust, joint venture, corporation, group, subgroup, or other organization; and
(c) the term "United States person" means any United States citizen, permanent resident alien, entity organized under the laws of the United States or any jurisdiction within the United States (including foreign branches), or any person in the United States.
Sec. 4. I hereby determine that the making of donations of the type specified in section 203(b)(2) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(
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Quote:I don’t know what tie-die shirts and bugs go for these days, but I doubt such things are the target of this Order. Protesting the war in Iraq, as Hippies might do, and trying to destabilize the government of Iraq or any other government, as terrorists might do, are very different things. It’s sort of like the difference between disliking your neighbor and killing him. We do draw distinction like this in society all the time.
Originally posted by Kirkules:
This could be a real boon for deficit reduction in the US. I wonder how much the government will get when it auctions off the Booty. I'm really not sure what 27 tie dyed tee shirts and three VW buses go for now days. And don't forget the those uncashed checks from mommy and daddy.
Of course, I get the sarcasm, just point it out for the perspective-challenged.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Originally posted by rue:
You have to read the fine print. It's where the real order resides.
I'd be interested in your interpretation of 'the fine print'. Please be specific.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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starting from the top
I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, find that, due to the unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by acts of violence threatening the peace and stability of Iraq and undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq
How did the US national interest get tied up with Iraq again ?
... all property and interests in property of the following persons, that are in the United States (citizens) ...: any person determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense
What about life, liberty and pursuit of happiness? due process, jury of peers ?
(i) to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of:
By whose estimation ? What evidence ?
(B) undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people
The USPATRIOT Act makes programming an act of terrorism. US citizens are being held liable for any action which may or may not affect US PLANS for that country.
(b) The prohibitions include, but are not limited to
(ii) materially assisted, sponsored, or provided financial, material, logistical, or technical support goods or services
in support of any person whose property is blocked
(iii) to be owned or controlled by, or to have acted or purported to act for or on behalf any person whose property is blocked
Sec. 2. (a) Any transaction by a (citizen) that evades or avoids, has the purpose of evading or avoiding, or attempts to violate any of the prohibitions
(b) Any conspiracy formed to violate any of the prohibitions set forth in this order is prohibited.
The Secretary of the Treasury is judge, jury and executioner not only of people who are supposed to have contributed, but associates, friends, businesses ... and anyone thought to be conspirators, no matter how farfetched it's construed.
Sec. 3. For purposes of this order:
(DEFINITIONS)
No definition of violence. but according to the USPATRIOT Act it could be anything that damages business interests, even free software - a la Stallman.
Sec. 4. ... donations ... would seriously impair my ability to deal with the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13303 and expanded in Executive Order 13315.
Here's where the entire act becomes decoupled from violence and Iraq.
Sec. 5. ... there need be no prior notice of a listing or determination made pursuant to section 1(a) of this order.
In other words you are accused, deemed and punished without even knowing - and not a court in sight.
Sec. 6. The Secretary of the Treasury ... is hereby authorized to take such actions, including the promulgation of rules and regulations ... All agencies of the United States Government are hereby directed to take all appropriate measures within their authority to carry out the provisions of this order and, where appropriate, to advise the Secretary of the Treasury in a timely manner of the measures taken.
Monitoring money transactions ? Phone calls ?
GEORGE W. BUSH
THE WHITE HOUSE,
July 17, 2007.
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Originally posted by rue:
starting from the top
Amendment I
Congress (But what about other lawmaking bodies?) shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,(Only establishment? What about modification?) or prohibiting the free exercise thereof (So we can stone adulterers?); or abridging the freedom of speech, (Yes! Shout 'fire!' in that crowded theater!) or of the press (Well, since TV and the internet don't use presses, the FF obviously didn't mean to include them.); or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, (But who determines peacefully? And exactly who are these 'people' anyway?) and to petition the government for a redress of grievances(No one said the government has to listen.)
Gee. It sure is easy to twist pretty much anything into a tyranny if you really want to (And are paranoid enough).
BTW. I'd appreciate if you'd tell me exactly how many of the Iraqi war opposition have had their assets frozen since Pres. Bush signed his Executive Order in July. A million? A hundred thousand? Ten? Any?
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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'Cause we all know GW Bush is an honest, fair-minded person who takes a balanced view of things and would never violate Constitutional rights, break the law, or lie.
Tsk tsk.
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Always look upstream.
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A presidential Executive Order issued on July 17th, repeals with the stroke of a pen the right to dissent and oppose the Iraq war.
" Stroke of the pen. Law of the Land. Kinda cool. " - Paul Begala
Source: The New York Times, July 5, 1998, referring to executive orders.
Ironic, ain't it ?
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