...And the best season of Voyager is:
POSTED BY: chrisisall
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Gotta go with four, although I thought the first, I dunno, 6 episodes of the very first season were really top notch. Can't beat Year of Hell though. I've got it on the Time Travel Collection. Definitely the best Voyager episode(s) of all and close to rivaling Best of Both Worlds.
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"Storms getting worse."
"We'll pass through it soon enough."
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I still think season 4 is the best, but I do like the earlier seasons too because then the ship wasn't some self sufficient all capable entity that was going to get them home, but the crew had to sacrifice and baby the ship hoping it will get them just a little further towards home, and that is a story element I enjoy.
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Originally posted by BlueBomber:
On the whole, I liked Voyager a lot. But by the time they had a guest appearance from pro-wrestler "The Rock," I was like, OK, this is getting ridiculous.
"Mwah ha ha ha...mine is an evil laugh. Now die."
Am I missing something? I watched Voyager end to end (even the abysmally last year when Chakotay was a horny teenager and 7 was a sex pot, and they royally screwed Tuvok's character) but I don't ever once remember seeing The Rock on the show. What am I not remembering?
For me I don't pick season's, I pick episodes. And there were great episodes in all 7 season's (yes, even season 7). There were, to me, no really good seasons because each one had clunker's, season 1, 2, and 7 respectively.
The first two would have been great if it weren't for the Kazon. As quoted by the Comic Book Guy, "Worst villians ever." They were vultures, scroungers, and not even capable of keeping what they took. Hell they couldn't even kill off the Ocampa. Best villians, to me, in Voyager were the Hyrogen, but they didn't focus as much on them as they had the Ka*duh*zon.
And I am a true shipper for Be'lanna and Paris. Two people who really, really needed the other. They compliment each other, and Paris not only can handle her Klingon tendencies, he sometimes enjoys them. Their relationship was the best I've seen on any show. Very well handled.
Best and most favorite episode was The Muse.
Worst episode, the one where 7 and Chakotay are going at each other like sea lions.
As for Kes, I hated her and wished she'd leave the show, but then they brought T & A..... I mean 7 of 9 on board, and suddenly I didn't mind Kes at all. When Kes was on board it was about the ship and the crew and getting home. When they brought T &.... 7 on board, as someone stated earlier, it was about 7. I can understand why Kate Mulgrew became angry.
I'm passionate about Voyager, because to me, it was the closest we got to the original Trek (I know many, many people will argue with this about me) but it was nice to have a Captain who didn't try to bore their enemies and took a hard ball approach to dealing with a crises. You know, a soldier instead of a politician.
Jayneway was Kirk in a skirt.
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Quote:Wow Mistress, I can sure see that by your post! Other than your dislike of 7 of 9 (sorry, guy here- but I also liked the way she and Janeway related), we see this show just the same way!
Originally posted by Misstressahara:
I'm passionate about Voyager
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Originally posted by Misstressahara:Quote:
Originally posted by BlueBomber:
On the whole, I liked Voyager a lot. But by the time they had a guest appearance from pro-wrestler "The Rock," I was like, OK, this is getting ridiculous.
"Mwah ha ha ha...mine is an evil laugh. Now die."
Am I missing something? I watched Voyager end to end (even the abysmally last year when Chakotay was a horny teenager and 7 was a sex pot, and they royally screwed Tuvok's character) but I don't ever once remember seeing The Rock on the show. What am I not remembering?
For me I don't pick season's, I pick episodes. And there were great episodes in all 7 season's (yes, even season 7). There were, to me, no really good seasons because each one had clunker's, season 1, 2, and 7 respectively.
The first two would have been great if it weren't for the Kazon. As quoted by the Comic Book Guy, "Worst villians ever." They were vultures, scroungers, and not even capable of keeping what they took. Hell they couldn't even kill off the Ocampa. Best villians, to me, in Voyager were the Hyrogen, but they didn't focus as much on them as they had the Ka*duh*zon.
And I am a true shipper for Be'lanna and Paris. Two people who really, really needed the other. They compliment each other, and Paris not only can handle her Klingon tendencies, he sometimes enjoys them. Their relationship was the best I've seen on any show. Very well handled.
Best and most favorite episode was The Muse.
Worst episode, the one where 7 and Chakotay are going at each other like sea lions.
As for Kes, I hated her and wished she'd leave the show, but then they brought T & A..... I mean 7 of 9 on board, and suddenly I didn't mind Kes at all. When Kes was on board it was about the ship and the crew and getting home. When they brought T &.... 7 on board, as someone stated earlier, it was about 7. I can understand why Kate Mulgrew became angry.
I'm passionate about Voyager, because to me, it was the closest we got to the original Trek (I know many, many people will argue with this about me) but it was nice to have a Captain who didn't try to bore their enemies and took a hard ball approach to dealing with a crises. You know, a soldier instead of a politician.
Jayneway was Kirk in a skirt.
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I disagree with the line Janeway was Kirk in a skirt. She actually was a good captain and how many times did she sleep with an alien? I can remember one time when she had her memories altered, and I think there may have been one or two more times but with Kirk that was an episodical event.
I didn't like Kess either but I thought the actress was cute. I really liked 7 of 9, and while she defiinately brought T&A to the show I don't think anyone would deny Jeri Ryan is an excellent actress. I refer you to the episode "Infinite Regress."
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Oh, just in case anyone's interested, you can get all seven seasons here
http://www.dvds99.com/dvd/item.aspx?itemid=110C155344&VCode=google
for $136 plus shipping.
There will be Chinese on the menus, but the shows will be normal.
Conjure I just might get this my own self!
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I bought all seven seasons a while ago and my cd #4 is no good. I would like to get a replacement someday.
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Originally posted by rallem:
I disagree with the line Janeway was Kirk in a skirt. She actually was a good captain and how many times did she sleep with an alien? I can remember one time when she had her memories altered, and I think there may have been one or two more times but with Kirk that was an episodical event.
I didn't like Kess either but I thought the actress was cute. I really liked 7 of 9, and while she defiinately brought T&A to the show I don't think anyone would deny Jeri Ryan is an excellent actress. I refer you to the episode "Infinite Regress."
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Now hold on, who said I was associating Janeway as Kirk through sexual escapades? Yes, a large part of that made Kirk the character he was, I was speaking in terms of a Captain, how she ran her ship, how she dealt with her enemies, and how she was willing to just say "Fuck it, they're not liseting and I'm not going to waste anymore of my time. Arm photon torpedoes and fire." Not to say she didn't look for the diplomatic way out of things but even she realized at a certain point that diplomacy goes only so far and then it's time to bring out your big guns. Sex never entered into it.
Now granted her situation is different, being 70 years from her home, the only other human members being her crew so fraternization would be harder for her than her crew. She's the Captain, her first proiority will always be her ship and crew, and though they leaned towards getting her and Chakotay together (and there was more sexual tension between her and him than there was between him and 7) they realized it wouldn't work out and made it more into a "I want to, but it just isn't possible." But the tension was always there, it just turned into a deep friendship and close bond.
Now I can go into how there seems to be a difference because of her sex, being female she wouldn't be put into situations where she's screwing every moon prince or alien adonis she meets, but that get's into other issues, so I won't go there.
As for 7 of 9. I realize I may have been snarky towards her, an imbedded bias. But there are many stand alone episodes centered around her that I like and are on my favorite epi's list. Too many to count actually. I just hate how during the course of the show almost everything centered around her (and if you don't believe me watch from the moment she comes on board and episodes after) eventually the suits decided to make her the main character (though not officially in the credits) because she was exactly that, a geek boy's fantasy. I mean, her suits alone. I don't discredit her acting ability or the fine stoic way she protrayed 7, and it wasn't her fault really. The suits wanted her to be the focus because they were losing viewers. Of course they never once thought it may be because of the writing, or lack there-of, or their own interference. But that's another topic.
And yes, I do love the relationship between Janeway and 7, I mean it was a near classic parent/child relationship where Janeway (the mom) was trying to teach her newly found foundling (7) the rights and wrongs of the world and find her own place in humanity (simplified but you get the idea) Just after a few years even that relationship was secondary to mundane stories. But I do like watching her evolution.
My point is that after a while the other main characters became the nameless extras who stand around doing nothing. THAT, I think, was one of the downfalls of the show. I say one.
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Originally posted by Misstressahara:
Am I missing something? I watched Voyager end to end (even the abysmally last year when Chakotay was a horny teenager and 7 was a sex pot, and they royally screwed Tuvok's character) but I don't ever once remember seeing The Rock on the show. What am I not remembering?
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Pendari_Champion
"Tsunkatse." The ep where Seven & Tuvok were abducted by a Jeffrey Combs alien and forced to take part in gladiator fights. It also had J.G. Hertzler as an aging Hirogen who taught Seven how to fight.
And Rock wasn't really a "guest star." He just turned up, did his Eyebrow Thing, and beat up Seven.
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Well if you are refering to her abiity to just say fuck it and arm the torpedos, I won't argue, because now that I think of it she did have a rather blatant disregard for the time continuum sort of like Kirk.
I won't argue that after series four almost every episode was about her, but the creators of Voyager discovered that sex sells and they capitalized. Lots of other great stuff happened as well like Be'elana (sp) and Tom. I hated Chicote and 7 of 9 at the end and I think it wold have been interestin if the Doctor and she hooked up.
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