Question about OiS...
POSTED BY: zoid
UPDATED: Monday, April 19, 2004 21:13
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As has been stated, it is Jayne's gun. The question isn't who's gun is it or when did she get it, the question is why was it on the floor instead of in the locker. She could have pulled the combination out of Jayne's head, I don't think any of us doubt that. I think that's exactly what happened. I think if you were able to see what happened on Serenity in the hour or two leading up to the beginning of OiS, you'd see River taking the gun out of the locker. She'd look at it, wonder about it, try to see if it held any malice or pain as a result of the lives it helped to take. After a few moments she gets a pain or is distracted by a noise or something that takes her focus off the gun, which she has by then decided is just an object, nothing to be afraid of as it has no intelligence or emotion, no ill will towards anyone. She drops the object and then she goes back to her bunk and lies down, weary as she often is. Everyone else is wrapped up in their own little worlds, so no one happens to see the gun until later. When she is awakened by another presence, she wanders the ship reading everyone and looking for the newcomer. When she steps on the gun she left there earlier, she recognizes it as just a mundane object.
so that's my theory
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Jayne: "These are stone killers, little man. They ain't cuddly like me."
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Originally posted by Shiny:
Couldn't it have been the same gun she used in War Stories to shoot the three guards? Maybe she dropped it/hid it somewhere afterwords and picked it up later in OiS in her 'dream' state.
Ok, I know it's lame to respond to your own post, but I think I have evidence that the gun she holds in OiS is the same one she took from Kaylee in WarStories:
firefly.deadly-nightshade.net/images/warstories/index.php?p=warstories435.jpg&pg=8
firefly.deadly-nightshade.net/images/objectsinspace/index.php?p=objects081.jpg&pg=1
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Here's what I think.
River may or may not be physically wandering thru the ship. I'm leaning towards an actual physical walk-thru, but the fact that no one she encounters (with the possible exception of her brother) reacts to her presence indicates sumpin' scwewy's goin' on.
How 'bout this: this may be a manifestation of one of her psychic-assassin abilities, a pseudo-stealth. Like the Shadow (anybody remember him?), she can "cloud men's minds". So maybe she can move undetected past guards/sentries/etc. Given this, it's not much of a stretch to imagine her accessing a locked armory, too.
As to the reason she pinched the gun in the first place...
I think it's possible she detected Early's presence - and threat - and proceeded to deal with the threat in the most direct fashion, namely giving him a fatal case of "lead poisoning." After "War Stories" we know she's capable. And she was just about to do it when Mal & Co discovered her; maybe she dropped her psychic guard for a moment, maybe to pin down Early's exact location or something.
I know Joss explains the "no touching guns" scene differently, but I wouldn't put a little misdirection past him, with such a major plot secret on the line. A little weak, maybe, but I'm keeping an open mind.
Plus maybe this is an example of a dissociative episode she experiences. Her training prompts her to deal with the external threat, almost as a separate identity, while the "original", little girl personality remains detached and clueless as to what her assassin-self is doing. I don't know if JW saw or read "The Bourne Identity", but the title character appears to have a great deal in common with River.
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Thanks karenkay99,
I know I've seen OiS at least 4 times and never caught that convo.
I'll have to watch it again and see if I can figure out what's been so consistently distracting me...
Respectfully,
zoid
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"River? I thought she was a sweet girl. Of course, we were all sure she was crazy, too."
- Inara Reynolds, Secretary of Ecumenical Affairs
from A Child Shall Lead Them: A History of the Second War of Independence Wilkins, Richard
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Originally posted by Shiny:Quote:
Originally posted by Shiny:
Couldn't it have been the same gun she used in War Stories to shoot the three guards? Maybe she dropped it/hid it somewhere afterwords and picked it up later in OiS in her 'dream' state.
Ok, I know it's lame to respond to your own post, but I think I have evidence that the gun she holds in OiS is the same one she took from Kaylee in WarStories:
firefly.deadly-nightshade.net/images/warstories/index.php?p=warstories435.jpg&pg=8
firefly.deadly-nightshade.net/images/objectsinspace/index.php?p=objects081.jpg&pg=1
It certainly does look very similar. And that seems the most reasonable hypothesis as to where the gun came from -- she just hid it after the incident in "War Stories".
"Sir, I would like to gingerly point out that it is difficult for someone to be gently reassuring when they're holding three and a half feet of sharpened steel."
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It looks similar, but I don't think it is the same gun, and someone else on a previous thread about this said it was not. Those two shots show different sides of the gun, and there are a few things about the shape and features of each gun that lead me to believe they are not the same. Perhaps they were meant to be the same gun as per the script, but someone in the prop department did not get it right if that is the case, IMO only of course.
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I've just added an image to the Blue Sun Room, titled "River's Guns" - http://www.fireflyfans.net/sunroomitem.asp?i=1071 - where we can see the two guns at the same time to try and determine if they are the same. I still say they are not.
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No one knows. The characters dont know. Jayne even says he does not leave his guns unlocked and loaded. It is a mystery to THEM and US.
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[Edit: simulpost. I was responding to ecgordon.]
I agree. The sizes and colors are very similar, but if you look closely at the shapes, they're not even close. And I don't even think it really matters how she got the gun. (Ok, it matters to the rest of the crew, but not from a storytelling standpoint.) She managed to get her hands on a gun, either because someone else (presumably Jayne, who we already know doesn't actually lock up the guns in his bunk) was careless or because she used her mindreading powers to get to it. What's important is her reaction to it.
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im more confused about their confusion where she got it from. after "the message" and "out of gas" i get the impression that guns are lying around all over the ship. standing in the cockpit and feel like taking kaylee hostage? ohhh, look, a gun. just been gut shot and could need a weapon? ohh, look, there is one. it might be more confusing to hear someone say "i need a gun... why is there never a gun when you need to shoot someone?"
so in fact, that whole "where did she get the gun" seems more like the usual "oh damn, we screwed up.. quick, blame the least intelligent guy with the most guns".
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