Heroes 2.1 (or wherever...)
POSTED BY: deepgirl187
UPDATED: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 21:57
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:Quote:There are too many characters, and they can’t pay the kind of attention that every scene deserves when they’ve got five or six main character, each with different storylines. They tend to abbreviate scenes. This is a criticism. One that I’ve made in the past. But you’re making the assumption that DL saw it coming, except there’s nothing in the scene that suggest that, and you can’t extrapolate from previous phasing events. It would have been nice if there were a scene or two that cleared up exactly what DL was thinking or doing at the time, but I think the writers did a good job with what they could afford to put in.
Originally posted by Storymark:
Okay, I'll drop the illogical (though I still think it violates story logic - perhaps not debate logic, but story logic - definitly), and just stick with poorly written.
If it works for you, cool. But I found it very, very sloppy, in an otherwise solid episode.
A lot of characters doesn't excuse poor writing. As I said before, having the guy come up behind him would have served the same story purpose (killing DL), in the exact same ammount of time (if not less) - but would have stayed true to the story logic. So having a large cast really has zero bearing in this instance.
That was a choice made by the writers - a bad one I feel - and it had nothing to do with cast size, budget or anything else.
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But you’re making the assumption that DL saw it coming, except there’s nothing in the scene that suggest that,
You mean, except for the looking right at him? If they guy had fired as soon as the gun was out - I might buy it. But that's not how it happened.
One other quick thing that bothered me about the scene - and it's totally nit-picky.... but when he was shot, DL was on Nikki's left side. But the blood splattered across the right side of her face. It's not a difficult effect to pull off correctly, so I was really baffled that it would be executed so poorly.
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Mohinder's officially on my shit-list. I tried, but until he gets his head out of his ass, he just another dupe.
And for that matter, Matt is as well, for the time being. I hope they don't turn him evil. But on the other hand, they have to do something in regards to character development.
Was I the only one maniacally cheering when Elle shocked herself? Just wondering. 
So West didn't turn out to be so bad after all. I'm still not a big fan of his, but he looks to have potential.
Claire's blood can bring back the dead. Pretty shiny. That being said, I wonder what The Company has in store for Noah. Nothing good, as usual.
*sigh* Two more episodes to go. With any luck, the guild and the producers will make some headway when talks resume on Thursday.
ETA: Does the whole Hiro-meeting-his-past-self give anyone else pause? I'm not an expert on time-travel, but wouldn't that invoke some kind of paradox?
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I've given up on Heroes. It's just going nowhere.
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Mohinder may be a dupe but I'm impressed that he actually had the balls to pull the trigger. Noah's "death" was wonderfully filmed. For a few seconds I found myself applauding the writers for killing a vital character...then I remembered that pint of Claire's blood. I was not surprised at all to see him come back from the dead, the whole thing was built on Adam's revival of Nathan. As to what the Company wants from Noah I haven't a clue.
I enjoy seeing Matt skirt the dark side. This is another fine example of how a seemingly good person can become drunk with power. At the end of his interrogation I thought he would back down, guess I was wrong.
For me the scenes between Hiro and his father stole the show. It was great how Hiro changed his opinion about his father's decision by teaching his younger self the very same lesson. Not sure about the paradox issue. If past Hiro was young enough he may not have remembered the meeting, also he had other things on his mind with the death of his mother. Since nothing was actually changed I don't imagine a paradox would occur. Damn time travel!
It looks like Hiro isn't thrilled by the idea of Peter and Adam joining forces. And can things get any worse for Mohinder? I guess so as his old partner steps back into his life. I wonder if his abilities will have returned or if he's going to force Mohinder into curing him.
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Damnit, it sounds like I missed a really good Heroes. I’ll have to itune it.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
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I agree about the filming part, singate. That was shot extremely well. Though I am glad Noah isn't dead. Not quite ready for his character to be gone yet.
I had a thought as I was waking up this morning. We all immediately assumed Noah was taken by The Company, but what if Adam is the one who has him? Food for thought, anyway.
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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
Mohinder's officially on my shit-list. I tried, but until he gets his head out of his ass, he just another dupe.
Totally agree with you. When Noah had him on his knees and was about to shoot him I was cheering him on. I want Mohinder dead for his duplicity and his complete ignorance. He was going to deliver Claire and the whole Bennett family right into the Company's hands.
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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
And for that matter, Matt is as well, for the time being. I hope they don't turn him evil. But on the other hand, they have to do something in regards to character development.
Did Matt yank that woman's name out of Ma Perelli's head? Her name being present on the picture would certainly seem to indicate that. His use of his influence ability (for lack of a better phrase) does seem a bit dark. Could be Mrs Perelli was right in that using it might make Matt very much like his father. Hopefully he will turn away from that path. As you said, perhaps it is just a character development tool.
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Was I the only one maniacally cheering when Elle shocked herself? Just wondering.
No, you weren't. I was so hoping she would fry herself. Than again I was cheering when Noah shot her at the end, though I wish it had been right through the forehead and not the arm.
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So West didn't turn out to be so bad after all. I'm still not a big fan of his, but he looks to have potential.
He has potential, but I am still not sold on him. He doesn't fly very fast and he needs to learn straight up makes you an easy target. He seems to have gotten over his fear and hatred of Noah pretty quick too. Granted it was for Claire's sake, but shouldn't he still have issues with Noah since he has been carrying them around so long?
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Claire's blood can bring back the dead. Pretty shiny. That being said, I wonder what The Company has in store for Noah. Nothing good, as usual.
Makes sense her blood can bring back the dead. We have seen both her and Adam return from the dead and it is due to the cellular regeneration they possess. We saw how Adam's blood healed Nathan's severe burns and scars. No reason to believe it wouldn't bring back the dead so long cellular degradation had not gone too far.
I am thinking that Noah is in for trouble being in the Company's care. Of course it could be a plot device to get Noah to continue to expose the Company's secrets to Elle as well as her missing past. Seems the Haitian pulled some of her memories too. I don't think dear old dad or the Company will fare too well if Elle goes ballistic over being used and screwed with by them.
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*sigh* Two more episodes to go. With any luck, the guild and the producers will make some headway when talks resume on Thursday.
ETA: Does the whole Hiro-meeting-his-past-self give anyone else pause? I'm not an expert on time-travel, but wouldn't that invoke some kind of paradox?
I sure hope the hiatus isn't too long.
I was wondering about the Hiro present meeting himself as a child too. Not sure about a paradox or not, just seemed wierd.
And now that Hiro knows it was Adam/Takezo Kensei that killed his father seems he will be going a little immortal man hunt next couple of episodes.
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Great episode. One of the best this season. It bugs me that Mohinder has become such douchebag lately, as he was my favorite character last season. But overall, very good.
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Great ep.
The whole Mohinder thing made me crazy though. It seems an awfully big character and philosophical change. Guess we'll see where his mind is at once he runs into Sylar again.
As for memories, the Hatian at this point is on the run, remember, because after Mohinder healed him he took off. So I don't think he's back at the company (and all that happend after he put Peter in the shipping container).
Here's something to think about: How do you kill off Adam? The only way I can think of to keep him dead is to pull a Highlander - and just think, Hiro does have a sword...
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I guess I can't completely hate Mohinder. He's just so naive that it's almost too easy to fool him. But at the same time, he's seen that The Company is more than capable of using dubious (if not outright evil) methods to accomplish their goals. It's like you want to whack the guy over the head with a big sign that says "HEY! YOU'RE GETTING SCREWED!".
Part of me wonders if Noah allowed himself to be shot. Perhaps after seeing the paintings and knowing Isaac's tendency to be right, he believed that he could do nothing more. Maybe he thought dying was the best way to protect his family.
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