Star Trek: Nemisis is a great Trek! Wasn't it?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 20:41
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Opinions?
Dataisall
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Agreed.
The duel of philosophies between Shinzon & Picard is the basis of what all Trek has always been about: are we only the result of the world that created us, or do we have the individual capacity to change ourselves (and by extension, the world around us). Can we choose to be better, or are we doomed to simply revisit the crimes of our fathers/mothers?
As Data summed it up: "I choose to better myself. The B4 does not."
(Also, true Nemesis fans should check out the Time To. . . series from Pocket Books. It chronicles the "season" between Insurrection and Nemesis [and explains how Worf got back and why Riker is now willing to take his own command.)
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I thought it was great Trek.
One reason: finally, a good use of Troi! And Riker fighting that mind-rapist guy. In fact, that entire Troi/Riker/Shinzon/Viceroy scene was very well done. Creepy as hell but well done.
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When I heard that "Nemesis" did so poorly at the US box office, I was stumped. To me, it faced an issue that has been the cornerstone of good science-fiction from H.G. Wells to Isaac Aasimov, and that is what it means to be "human," and how it's possible to make ourselves more than what we are. As Cybersnark stated, it's a matter of choice.
'Course, I'm reading into it a lot; barring the philosophical psychobabble, it was still a good movie by Hollywood-ized standards. It had explosions, fight scenes, and even a high-speed chase.
I guess I just don't understand why viewers didn't respond to it better.
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I think Nemesis (like Enterprise, for that matter) fell victim to fandom infighting and whinging. People decided it was going to suck hard before they ever saw it, so they didn't bother actually watching it. (Any Vulcans in the house care to explain the logic in that one?)
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Ok. My honest opinion... When I first saw it, I didn't care for it. In fact I must confess I can hardly remember it. But I know that I did see it.
However I'm not a Star Trek fan . I've enjoyed a few of the films and thats been that, but it went no further. As I recall there are always interesting philosophical dilemnas thrown up in most Star Trek films, and this can be engaging to a point, but the thing that I've always found with Star Trek is that outside of Kirk, the other characters are just so rigid and disperate, to the point that you really don't care. Or at least I didn't. I mean I remember the thing with Piccard (sp) being needed for his DNA or something, to make a more accurate double, or clone, but I just couldn't feel the urgency in the crews plight thereafter.
All the intent seems to be there, tight script, credible conclusions, explosions, space, spaceships and aliens but something is always missing for me, with these newer ones in particular.
Also what is with the idea that an alien race has the same haircut!
OK I hope it's cool for a non-trek fan to add to this thread.......
*Exits stage left*
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I agree with the comments that a lot of people decided what they thought about this movie before they'd seen anything.
I also consider that Star Trek had worn out it's welcome by then, some people were just fed up of ANOTHER Trek movie.
When I saw it at the the cinema I thought it was okay. It's only when I saw it again on DVD that I really appreciated it and felt it kept with the tradition of the even numbered movies being the better ones.
I felt, like others, it got back to the core of ST ideas, and wasn't afraid to mix some other things in with the action, and expected ST moments (Data trying to be human, Riker/Troi's relationship etc).
Wonder how the new movie will fair. It is an odd number after all....
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I just watched it again last night, and my take is that it was all a Trek film should be...except that we got a LONG phaser/disruptor battle and a rad car chase, both just there for the adrenaline. Other than that- I really liked it a lot.
Critical Chrisisall
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I'm a big fan of the Trek films, never really watched any of the series'.
I really enjoyed Nemesis just from the standpoint that I felt they finally gave Data a lot to play with in terms of character development and just stuff to do. I always thought he got sorta short-changed in all the other films. It's been a couple years since I've seen it, but that's still my general impression.
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Most die-hard Trek fans that I know thought the movie blew chunks, but I guess I'm not a part of that crowd. I actually loved it along with Enterprise. The big complaint I hear is that it deviated from Roddenberry's 'perfect' Federation and Utopian future. This has been a complaint since the birth of DS9.
Personally, I believe each Trek series stands well on its own and has its own dedicated fandom. DS9 was my favorite hands down which explains why I liked Nemesis and Enterprise. A darker, more true to life vision of the future... that Roddenberry's Utopian future ended at the point you left Earth's perfect, peaceful society and became what we all know now in the black of space... a struggle to survive and the 'hope' for peace driven by Starfleet and the Federation. Those that chose not to accept it, well... personally it reminds me of the Alliance and the Independents. Peace with the loss of freedom is all an illusion, but I digress. :D
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