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Good points, CS.
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Originally posted by Cybersnark:
DL wasn't paying attention when the thug came for him.
(1) His turn as a superhero (saving the kid from the fire) made him overconfident (note how he closed his eyes and just sighed when the guy came at him).
(2) There was a bouncer at the door. There aren't supposed to be guns inside a club like that, and DL got caught flat-footed.
(3) It was a crowded club. DL lets the bullet go through him, someone else gets shot up.
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Still disagree, for the most part.
1. Overconfident - I'll grant. But the guy didn't fire from the hip. He put the gun against DL, then paused. That should be more than enough time for a reaction that has been instantaneous every other time.
2. Maybe.... But that still doesn't address why, with a gun held against his gut, he didn't phase.
3. As far as it was shown, there was no-one standing directly behind DL, and being in a stairwell as they were, the bullet would have hit the steps after only a few feet.
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Quote:I don’t see that it matters. The point is that it had already been established that DL must consciously enact a physical condition in which he can phase through objects or objects can phase through him. He’s vulnerable to fast moving objects or surprises. It’s not hard to imagine that some dude could walk up to him and blow him away, especially in a crowed place where no one expects that to happen. I think the writers did a good job.
Originally posted by Storymark:
True, I forgot that. But she (and the writers) made a point of doing so from far away, so he wouldn't see it coming. She didn't put the gun against his gut and look him in the eye before firing.
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:Quote:I don’t see that it matters. The point is that it had already been established that DL must consciously enact a physical condition in which he can phase through objects or objects can phase through him. He’s vulnerable to fast moving objects or surprises. It’s not hard to imagine that some dude could walk up to him and blow him away, especially in a crowed place where no one expects that to happen. I think the writers did a good job.
Originally posted by Storymark:
True, I forgot that. But she (and the writers) made a point of doing so from far away, so he wouldn't see it coming. She didn't put the gun against his gut and look him in the eye before firing.
I just can't agree, not when we had just seen him phase to avoid a punch that came with less warning. Velocity has never been shown to have any effect, other than that fast things (such as Nikki's shot) hit him before he can think of phaseing. But in this case, the guy took longer to pull the trigger than to take a swing. The logic just doesn't hold up.
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Quote:You're applying logic to Humans, Story?
Originally posted by Storymark:
But in this case, the guy took longer to pull the trigger than to take a swing. The logic just doesn't hold up.
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Quote:Actually the logic is fine. You said it yourself. He has to think about phasing in order for it to work. The writers have already made that case. The story the writers wanted to tell was one in which he dies, which I think is a far more compelling story then one in which he narrowing misses every danger thrown at him. In a story in which we have a character who is essentially god with amnesia, I find it refreshing that DL’s ability demonstrated some simple human weakness, such as not paying attention when he should have. I’m not saying that you have to like that he died, although frankly I do. There are too many main characters already and some of them have got to go, especially if they plan on adding more mid-season.
Originally posted by Storymark:
I just can't agree, not when we had just seen him phase to avoid a punch that came with less warning. Velocity has never been shown to have any effect, other than that fast things (such as Nikki's shot) hit him before he can think of phaseing. But in this case, the guy took longer to pull the trigger than to take a swing. The logic just doesn't hold up.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
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Originally posted by singate:
It's actually more than something. Chalk this one up to me being a little slow during the wee hours. The writers did show us what happened to Sylar via Peter's experience during his "rehabilitation". I think it is safe to assume Sylar went through the same treatment after Hiro stabbed him. Although his was most likely kept unconcious via heavy sedatives. If they administered the same drugs to suppress his abilities and they wear off at the same rate they did with Peter it will only be a matter of time before his powers reappear. I figure he killed Candace approximately 2 days ago in TV time so that leaves him somewhere in the neighborhood of 3 days before he is back to his old lovable self. I'm still trying to figure out why they kept him alive in the first place. Even if it was as a guinea pig, why move him from a secure state of the art facility to a remote shack with only Candace as guard?
That was my guess. No doubt the Company supressed Sylar's powers with drugs just as they did Peter. Good call on how much time he has until his powers start surfacing again. Should be just in time for him to kill Alejandro and Maya before they can get to Mohinder or the Company.
As for why they left Sylar alive, it's the same reason all over confident evil cabals leave dangerous individuals alive; they want to control him. These fools think they can break Sylar and that they will somehow convince or coerce him into becoming an operative for them like Elle or the others we have seen working for them. Sure would be something to see him turned loose on the Company for what they did to him.
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Originally posted by singate:
Another Company boo-boo is the thing about using Claire's blood as a cure for the virus. All this time they had Adam locked away and it never occured to them to keep a sample of his blood. Not necessarily as a failsafe for this research but because the healing properties alone are worth looking into.
I didn't get that either. Why would they not have Adam's blood stored somewhere? Seems if they have had him for 30 years as he claims then they would have had plenty of time to run tests and collect samples. His blood cured Nathan's horrible burns in a matter of minutes so no doubt the Company would know how important Adam would be.
That led me to believe that Adam's escape was a bit too easy. Why was he not guarded better? Whey did they only send Elle and the Haitian after Peter and Adam? Shouldn't there have been squads of men with tranq guns sent to capture them? They don't seem to have a limited budget, so why not send more people after them?
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Originally posted by singate:
Another Company boo-boo is the thing about using Claire's blood as a cure for the virus. All this time they had Adam locked away and it never occured to them to keep a sample of his blood. Not necessarily as a failsafe for this research but because the healing properties alone are worth looking into.
I didn't get that either. Why would they not have Adam's blood stored somewhere? Seems if they have had him for 30 years as he claims then they would have had plenty of time to run tests and collect samples. His blood cured Nathan's horrible burns in a matter of minutes so no doubt the Company would know how important Adam would be.
That led me to believe that Adam's escape was a bit too easy. Why was he not guarded better? Whey did they only send Elle and the Haitian after Peter and Adam? Shouldn't there have been squads of men with tranq guns sent to capture them? They don't seem to have a limited budget, so why not send more people after them?
Are these acceptable possibilities?
Maybe they did. Just need her as the new source. I am sure in research some was lost or ruined. ..they also seemed to need Suresh for his expertise as well as his blood. Before Suresh arrived some lacky scientist could have ruined it or Suresh himself destroyed the majority of it by throwing the chair in the fridge of vials or the scientist revolted and destroyed his research much like Suresh originally wanted to … Or… Adam and Peter escaped before Suresh arrived so, a lot could have happened.
I do agree that Adam could have been let go on purpose for some unknown Co. plan. I mean, putting them right beside each other in cells where they could talk.
However, we are not certain that Claire' powers are EXACTLY the same as Adam's. For some time we have been told that Suresh's blood was the only cure for the virus. Is Adam's blood cabable of curing the virus; new or old strain? Seems they wouldn't have needed Suresh if so. Being that they needed Suresh's Scientific expertise as well. They guys calling the shots may just not have known what they needed.
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Story, I am with you. His death was not logical. Yes, I can see the need for him to die, for one reason or another, but the way that they went about it was a bit silly.
As for Adam and Peter escaping too easily, that could go either way. I can see it being planned, though the way that Bob is acting in the present (in front of Mohinder, at least) fits with the story of it not being planned.
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