Hollywood takes it on the chin w/ Anti- war movies
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UPDATED: Friday, March 14, 2025 17:13
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I think it's interesting how the leap is made from "this anti-war movie is doing poorly" to "people don't want to see anti-war movies". Take Lions For Lambs for instance, I haven't seen it and I'm not going to see it, why? because the previews aren't descriptive, it has Tom Cruise who I'd rather not support and I've got other things to watch.
I want to see The Kingdom which (I've heard) is an anti-war movie, I love several other anti-war movies (Team America, Full Metal Jacket) I have just not seen any reason to be interested in Lions For Lambs. This has no bearing on my views or the likelyhood of my watching any other given anti-war movie, I am just not interested in this particular movie.
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Quote:You heard wrong. The kingdom is not an anti-war movie. I’ve heard it described as “patriotic escapism,” which I think is a fairly apt description, as far as two-word descriptions go, but it‘s certainly not anti-war. For that matter, Team America wasn‘t an anti-war movie either. It’s another “patriotic escapism.” You might even go as far as to call it a pro-war movie.
Originally posted by fredgiblet:
I want to see The Kingdom which (I've heard) is an anti-war movie, I love several other anti-war movies (Team America, Full Metal Jacket) I have just not seen any reason to be interested in Lions For Lambs. This has no bearing on my views or the likelyhood of my watching any other given anti-war movie, I am just not interested in this particular movie.
Full Metal Jacket was an anti-war movie. I guess one out of three - well, you should pay more attention to the movies you watch.
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Not really. It just shows people aren't into seeing stories set in that theatre, yet. The series "Over There" wasn't anti-war, and it still bombed. Musicals were the genre of choice durring WWII. Movies depicting that was weren't popular untill it was over.
But if you think that this is some sort of evidence of anyone rejecting a "liberal" agenda, you're kidding yourself (which isn't exactly a rare thing, but still...).
And you'll keep ignoring the fact that a blockbuster cast ( Cruise, Redford,Streep ) still can't draw in a crowd because it's a anti-American themed movie. ALL the anti war movies, Redacted, Valley of Elah, this one....all bombed. Wonder why? Hmmmm...
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I've always wondered how the neo-con apologists on this board rationalize away the central message of "Serenity". Must take some heavy duty mental gymnastics.
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Originally posted by SergeantX:
I've always wondered how the neo-con apologists on this board rationalize away the central message of "Serenity". Must take some heavy duty mental gymnastics.
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Not being a neo con, i wouldn't know. But since this IS a Firefly fans board, I felt it logical to compare this box office bomb to the lower than hoped for premier of our own BDM. You know, the one which was underbudgeted, with no major box office stars, derived from a cancelled t.v. show....basically had everything go against it. ALl that , and it did far better than the HUGE star studded anti-war movie.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Not being a neo con, i wouldn't know. But since ...
Ahh, the dodge and feint.
Ok, so how do you get around the strongly anti-interventionist ethos of Serenity and Firefly? How did you dodge the pointed criticism of the Bush administration's GWOT and their attempts to remake the middle east, to 'make people better'? How do you square Firefly's firmly anti-authoritarian message with your own enthusiasm for the 'Alliance' style tactics of our own government?
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Quote:If Islamo-fascists stayed out in the black with the Reavers there would be no war in the Middle East to complain about. It seems that you are ignoring a pretty important chunk of story.
Originally posted by SergeantX:
Ok, so how do you get around the strongly anti-interventionist ethos of Serenity and Firefly? How did you dodge the pointed criticism of the Bush administration's GWOT and their attempts to remake the middle east, to 'make people better'? How do you square Firefly's firmly anti-authoritarian message with your own enthusiasm for the 'Alliance' style tactics of our own government?
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:Quote:If Islamo-fascists stayed out in the black with the Reavers there would be no war in the Middle East to complain about. It seems that you are ignoring a pretty important chunk of story.
Originally posted by SergeantX:
Ok, so how do you get around the strongly anti-interventionist ethos of Serenity and Firefly? How did you dodge the pointed criticism of the Bush administration's GWOT and their attempts to remake the middle east, to 'make people better'? How do you square Firefly's firmly anti-authoritarian message with your own enthusiasm for the 'Alliance' style tactics of our own government?
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
Mind you , if the US stayed out of trying to run other countrys by proxy your point would be true in the fact that conflict would be reduced...
It seems that you are ignoring a pretty important chunk of story yourself
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Yeah... I'm not sure if the 'Islamo-Fascist' angle is a good tact for you Finn. Honestly. Auraptor's 'plausible deniability' is probably a better bet. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you that the Reavers were stand-ins for the terrorists, but that leads you into all kinds of thorny questions, like how the Reavers/terrorists were created or why the Alliance was hiding the truth from it's citizens, etc ...
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Not really. It just shows people aren't into seeing stories set in that theatre, yet. The series "Over There" wasn't anti-war, and it still bombed. Musicals were the genre of choice durring WWII. Movies depicting that was weren't popular untill it was over.
But if you think that this is some sort of evidence of anyone rejecting a "liberal" agenda, you're kidding yourself (which isn't exactly a rare thing, but still...).
And you'll keep ignoring the fact that a blockbuster cast ( Cruise, Redford,Streep ) still can't draw in a crowd because it's a anti-American themed movie. ALL the anti war movies, Redacted, Valley of Elah, this one....all bombed. Wonder why? Hmmmm...
That has nothing to do with what I said. Christ, you are consitant in your slippery discourse.
The star power has nothing to do with it. All "War on Terror" movies and shows have failed, regardless of ideology or star power.
And as to the star power, Redford hasn't been a huge draw in decades. Neither has Streep. Cruise has recently gone throguh a public image meltdown, loosing a huge chink of his fanbase.
And the movie looked boring. There are plenty of reasons it could have, and did fail, all on it's own.
But my point, which you totally ignored, was that people are not interested in these stories yet. Unless you can point to a pro-war success recently (300 doesn't count).
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