Ramblings on Serenity

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UPDATED: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 19:03
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DELVO

Sunday, October 13, 2002 5:51 PM

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89% of victims were abused by a male.
(Source: http://www.calib.com/nccanch/pubs/statinfo/nis3.cfm#perpetrator
see "Distribution of Child Abuse and Neglect by Perpetrator Characteristics"
5th paragraph)
There are about 4 times as many female victims of sexual abuse as there are male.
(Source: http://www.calib.com/nccanch/pubs/factsheets/canstats.cfm
see "Victims of Maltreatment" 4th para)

The numbers for the "about 4 times as many" are 1.7 per 1000 girls and 0.4 per 1000 boys. That would be 4.25 times as many in a population of 2000, if there were equal numbers of girls and boys. But the population is actually more like 51-49 female, so that would be 1020 girls and 980 boys per 2000 kids, which would include 1.734 female victims and 0.392 male victims. That makes females 81.6% of the 2.126 victims and males 18.4% of them (4.435 times as many females as males).

So, 89% of perpetrators are male and 81.6% of victims are female. This doesn't match up; there's a discrepency of 7.4 percentage points where male the perpetrators overlaps the male victims. But that's if you assume there are practically no cases of females abusing females. If there are, then you have to assign some of those 81.6% female victims to the 11% female perpetrators, which means a corresponding number of male victims have to be reassigned to male perpetratos. So that 7.4 percentage-point discrepency would increase, although possibly not by much. And that would mean, by any realistic figure for the number of homosexuals in the general population, that homosexuals are disproportionately more likely to do this than heterosexuals, but not as much so as males compared to females, or drug users compared to the drug-free, or those who also commit other crimes compared to the otherwise non-criminal.

How did we end up on this subject in two different threads? In any case, there's no real indication of homosexuality in the show so far except for a trick Saffron tried to play on Inara, who might go along with such things because it's her job, but we don't even know that much because she was onto Saffron's trick...

SHUGGIE

Sunday, October 13, 2002 6:32 PM

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Originally posted by Delvo:
So, 89% of perpetrators are male and 81.6% of victims are female.

Not quite. 89% of victims were abused by a male. Whether that is also the proportion of male perpetrators depends on whether the average number of victims per perpetrator is equal across the gender divide.

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This doesn't match up; there's a discrepency of 7.4 percentage points where male the perpetrators overlaps the male victims. But that's if you assume there are practically no cases of females abusing females. If there are, then you have to assign some of those 81.6% female victims to the 11% female perpetrators, which means a corresponding number of male victims have to be reassigned to male perpetratos. So that 7.4 percentage-point discrepency would increase, although possibly not by much. And that would mean, by any realistic figure for the number of homosexuals in the general population, that homosexuals are disproportionately more likely to do this than heterosexuals

First of all let's distinguish between people who abuse children of the same sex (some of whom abuse children of both sexes) and homosexuals. As I said before same-sex abuse perpetrators are not drawn exclusively from the homosexual population.

Secondly, because the figures relate to victims rather than perpetrators they don't tell us anything about the relative prevalence amongst perpetrators of same-sex versus opposite-sex abuse.

Shug

LOONYTOON

Monday, October 14, 2002 3:39 PM

If you like ANYONE of the opposite sex, you are gay! Just cause they give you a bad image, you can`t say they like boys but they aren`t gay. Thats bullshit!

LOONYTOON

Monday, October 14, 2002 3:50 PM

As for pandora, of course heterosexual males account for alot of sex crimes! They are %49 of the population! As opposed to maybe %1 for queer guys! Maybe you should stop with the cute little haterade comments and think about what you are saying! As for the website links, they provide nothing to this debate, as all they prove is how many men molested children, not whether or not those children were the same sex. I looked on that website, and it looks to me like you are making some statistics up. I got mine from a friend who volunteers with abused children in Kalifornia.

SHUGGIE

Monday, October 14, 2002 4:54 PM

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Originally posted by loonytoon:
If you like ANYONE of the opposite sex, you are gay! Just cause they give you a bad image, you can`t say they like boys but they aren`t gay. Thats bullshit!

I don't agree. I don't agree that an abuser necessarily likes their victim. It's not even always about sex so much as power. Even when it is about sex there's a difference between abusive, coercive, exploitative sex and consensual sex between adults. You're lumping two things together which have very little in common. In fact about the only thing they do have in common is the same-sex element.

To use an analogy - how much does the law-abiding gun owner who loves hunting have in common with the psychopath who uses his guns to kill innocent people? Would it be fair to lump those two groups together and make assumptions about the hunter based on the actions of the psycho?

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As for the website links, they provide nothing to this debate, as all they prove is how many men molested children, not whether or not those children were the same sex. I looked on that website, and it looks to me like you are making some statistics up. I got mine from a friend who volunteers with abused children in Kalifornia.

Well I gave precise directions as to where on the page those figures were - so I'm certainly not making them up. I did actually mention that they do not directly correspond with your statistic. However a little simple maths will prove that either your friend's figure is incorrect or the website's figures are.

I'm not going to respond on this issue again because I think most people would rather talk about the show than sexual politics.

Shug

TRAGICSTORY

Monday, October 14, 2002 5:47 PM

DIP ME IN HONEY AND FEED ME TO LESBIANS!

HJERMSTED

Tuesday, October 15, 2002 7:03 PM

Finally saw "Serenity"!!
It was a giant mpeg made from an (at least) third generation video dub and viewed on a tiny screened computer, but... I ain't complaining! :)

I'm not at all clear on why Fox has been sitting on this prefering to show it out of sequence. This was great TV: Entertaining with scares and surprises. The chemistry between the cast members was hands down the best I've seen from a TV pilot (movie quality, in fact). The script was great and there were many classic lines (I won't quote 'em and spoil it). Lotsa special effects concerning the ship itself. Many sets were used to give an idea of the ship's size. A couple planet scenes at the beginning and end emphasize the Western theme.

I hope they show this on TV soon so all the fans (and the curious) can see it. Fox was wrong not to show it first!

mattro

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