Why isn't Hillary in jail ?

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HERO

Saturday, October 27, 2007 3:49 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
The bright side is that they'll find a way to declare 'victory' and leave right before the election. Reality be damned.

The Democrats can't afford victory. They're invested in defeat. That's why the brought up this Turkey business and why the Turkish/Kurd border dispute, which has been going on for decades, is suddenly the news from Iraq.

Suddenly we're winning and now the news isn't the violence, its Democrats cutting our supply lines through Turkey and burning our diplomatic bridges that we need to keep the Kurd situation in check.

They simply can't afford American victory before next year's election. They've played a dangerous game courting the Bush-haters and radical left. Look how the left is going after their own now.

I think the Democratic Party is ready to explode. They can't sustain the competing special intersts pulling them in seperate directions. The leadership is becoming more and more caught between the vocal radicals and the normal everyday people who make up their real voting base. Those people, many of whom have moderate and in some cases conservative values.

Being a student of political history I think the Democrats are ripe for something new. Perhaps a new party, as happened a couple other times in history (the Democratic-Republicans...the Whigs, the Republicans) or a severing of ties with the radicals (which also has precedent on both sides). I think a moderate Democratic Party divorced of its radicals could easily emerge as a majority. I'd like to see it. I could even be one given half a chance (if it wasn't for the radicals and Ronald Reagan, I'd be a Democrat right now).

I remember a time when you could be a Pro Life Democrat...I loved Bob Casey, great governor, but not allowed to speak in 1992 when the Democrats opted for their smaller tent. What has happened to the Democrat Party of my...Dad's youth?

H

RUE

Saturday, October 27, 2007 3:51 AM

I suggest everyone who's interested in US casualties in Iraq OVER THE LONG TERM look here:

http://icasualties.org/oif/US_chart.aspx

Over the long term you'll see an interesting but unfortunate trend. The averages are higher the longer the US stays.

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SIGNYM

Saturday, October 27, 2007 3:52 AM

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YO ! Look it up !

Time to call your senators and tell them this bill stinks !!!!

Yeah, it stinks. Fuck this shit.

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Always look upstream.

HERO

Saturday, October 27, 2007 3:55 AM

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Originally posted by piratenews:
As for Fox's allegation that no soldiers died in Iraq, that don't count off the battlefield, don't count 100,000 illegal alien soldiers in Iraq, don't count CIA mercs, don't count 10,000 dead Iraqis per WEEK, don't count 100,000 dead US Gulf War soldiers so far, don't count 700,000 disabled US Gulf War soldiers so far. Hell, Fox cant even add to 17, which is haw many years the Iraq War has raged ever day, genociding 2.6-million Iraqis, so far.

Nope, none of those count. Although I did see something about a mysterious "illegal alien" helicopter, supposedly shot down in Iraq, that destroyed a US base in Qatar. When it comes to reports about Iraq I suspect there is more then meets the eye...

H

HERO

Saturday, October 27, 2007 3:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Over the long term you'll see an interesting but unfortunate trend. The averages are higher the longer the US stays.

Like I said...the rates are down over 70% since June. Thanks for the support. Clearly the new strategy is working so far.

I'd suggest that we give it till next spring and then look again.

H

RUE

Saturday, October 27, 2007 4:08 AM

"Clearly the new strategy is working so far. I'd suggest that we give it till next spring and then look again."

Uh, dude, the surge started in February.
That was almost 3/4 of a year ago. ""The security operation was launched Feb. 14".

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RUE

Saturday, October 27, 2007 4:10 AM

YO ! Look it up !

Time to call your senators and tell them this bill stinks !!!!

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1955

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PIRATENEWS

Saturday, October 27, 2007 4:18 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:
As for Fox's allegation that no soldiers died in Iraq, that don't count off the battlefield, don't count 100,000 illegal alien soldiers in Iraq, don't count CIA mercs, don't count 10,000 dead Iraqis per WEEK, don't count 100,000 dead US Gulf War soldiers so far, don't count 700,000 disabled US Gulf War soldiers so far. Hell, Fox cant even add to 17, which is haw many years the Iraq War has raged ever day, genociding 2.6-million Iraqis, so far.

Nope, none of those count. Although I did see something about a mysterious "illegal alien" helicopter, supposedly shot down in Iraq, that destroyed a US base in Qatar. When it comes to reports about Iraq I suspect there is more then meets the eye...

H

Tell it to these famlies.

If you know how to count above 1,000, tell it to these families.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8403827045055769937&hl=en
jcnot4me.com/images/Bush_Image-Via-Dead-Soldiers.jpg

These too.

Repeat 2.7-million times.

Hanoi Hannity: "Outsourcing your job is good for me."
"US ports owned by Commie China is good for me."
"Iraq War is good for me and Commie China."
"Sir Rupert dines with Hillary every week."
"Ron Paul does not exist in my 'Verse."

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-Adam Tudyk, The Making of Firefly

FOX, MYSPACE & FIREFLY OWNED BY COMMUNIST CHINA!
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Does that seem right to you?
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SORCHA425

Saturday, October 27, 2007 5:13 AM

My thought is: Rumsfeld is gone because the plans in the war were a little screwy, the new plans seem to be doing much better, but time can only tell. The rate these casualties are dropping means things are looking up-- Hero said nothing about everything being perfectly fine and that it wipes out the mistakes made at the beginning of the Iraq War. And I don't like what I hear from Hillary about getting troops home-- oh, that's b/c she can never decide if she'll get them home in her first year or wait until her 2nd term.

Also,soldiers aren't coerced into joining. The Draft isn't in effect. If you join the military, be prepared for action. I feel for the grieving families, but Liberals do nothing to help the pain by yelling and promising to bring troops home, when it's obvious the troops can't all be brought home until Iraq is stable enough, AND there will still be casualties in other countries, for other reasons. And I quite a few soldiers who went to/are in Iraq, and all have great reports from their experiences with the people. Things are hard, but they're hopeful-- would like to see their country start backing them up.

I'm a conservative and I find that the Big Government began years and years ago, it's not a new thing, and it began after WWII. Democrats used to fight for the working man. My great-grandmother voted democrat her whole life b/c she saw what happened with her father and family due to unfair representation and Republicans used to favor the rich, I agree. Things have progressed now, and Republicans don't cater to the wealthy; the Dem. doctrine states that the government is responsible for every single US citizen (and now illegals, God help us)-- universal healthcare, Welfare up the whazzu, we'll become socialists soon enough if Democrats are in charge. And y'know what I see in our future? United Socialists of America aka. communism. Ask Canada what they think of their healthcare system.

Ok, I'm done, and I expect some new rant in reply to this. You'd think I know better than to talk to a brick wall.

K

LEADB

Saturday, October 27, 2007 1:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Over the long term you'll see an interesting but unfortunate trend. The averages are higher the longer the US stays.

Like I said...the rates are down over 70% since June. Thanks for the support. Clearly the new strategy is working so far.

I'd suggest that we give it till next spring and then look again.

Hero, since you are happy to endorse the results of the site Rue mentions, then there is a disconnect between FOX and that site, it lists the following for that week:

Anamarie Sannicolas Camacho, 20, Navy Seaman, Oct 22, 2007
Genesia Mattril Gresham, 19, Navy Seaman, Oct 22, 2007
Adam J. Chitjian, 39, Army Private 1st Class, Oct 24, 2007
Robin L. Towns Sr., 52, Army National Guard Staff Sergeant, Oct 24, 2007

I did some analysis on the numbers at that site, including a 6 month running average. It shows a peak of the death rate rising through the start of the surge in February 2007, with a peak in May, with a subsequent down turn through this month to date (and here's hoping nothing happens in the end of Oct to upset that!). While the Oct. numbers are promising, the 6 month running average is only now getting down to the level of the running average in Dec 2006. I will caution that there's a lot of 'spikiness' in the monthly data; and while the trend it promising, if it is merely the 'trough' like March of 2005 I won't be seriously impressed. On the other hand I will say it is a promising trend, and I hope it continues. I'll be looking back again in early January to assess the data through December.

Edit: A wee bit of digging:
The Department of Defense announced today the death of a soldier who was supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom.
Pfc. Adam J. Chitjian, 39, of Philadelphia, Pa., died Oct 25 in Balad, Iraq, of injuries sustained when he came in contact with enemy forces using small arms during combat operations. He was assigned to 3rd Battalion, 8th Cavalry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 1st Cavalry Division, Fort Hood Texas.
26 Oct 2007 5:14 PM

Staff Sgt. Robin L. Towns Sr., 52, of Upper Marlboro, Maryland, died Oct 24 in Bayji, Iraq, of wounds suffered when an improvised explosive device detonated near his Humvee during combat operations.
Fri, 10/26/2007 - 13:44

I will concede the other two deaths were only noted as 'in support of' and not 'in'. The last two deaths might have been announced after FOX ran thier story.

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