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SEVENPERCENT

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 6:58 PM

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Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Interesting things to ponder HateHateHateFox. I would think that the effects would not be widespread or too detrimental to the atmo or enviroment. If it had wide ranging effects I don't think Mal would have suggested it and someone would have spoke up if it were.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

I have to say I very rarely disagree with BC1, but this is one of those times- While I agree that I doubt the burn had any long range effects on the environment other than a nice fireball and a cool lightshow, I have to disagree on the "stopping to consider the impact" point- No offense, but if I'm ever being pursued by flesh-eating cannibals, you can be damned sure the last thing on my mind would be environmental impact- Even as nice as Mal really is inside, he's worried about him and his, not the impact on Patience's little moon- As far as the speaking up goes, can anyone really see any one saying "I'll be glad while they're raping us to death that all the little birdies will be safe" - No way Jose (or no way BC1,

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They're gettin' the hell out, consequences be damned (and driving fast and eating cheese, if anyone out there gets the reference) -

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He looked bigger when I couldn't see him.

SIGMANUNKI

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 7:27 PM

I think it was Zoe that mentioned that full burn in atmo is a dangerous thing to do. I wish I had my DVD's to check on what was exactly said. Anyone?

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"If you truly love the memory, you must set it free()!" -Me
"Also, I can kill you with my brain." -River

BROWNCOAT1

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 7:30 PM

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Originally posted by SevenPercent:
Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Interesting things to ponder HateHateHateFox. I would think that the effects would not be widespread or too detrimental to the atmo or enviroment. If it had wide ranging effects I don't think Mal would have suggested it and someone would have spoke up if it were.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

I have to say I very rarely disagree with BC1, but this is one of those times- While I agree that I doubt the burn had any long range effects on the environment other than a nice fireball and a cool lightshow, I have to disagree on the "stopping to consider the impact" point- No offense, but if I'm ever being pursued by flesh-eating cannibals, you can be damned sure the last thing on my mind would be environmental impact- Even as nice as Mal really is inside, he's worried about him and his, not the impact on Patience's little moon- As far as the speaking up goes, can anyone really see any one saying "I'll be glad while they're raping us to death that all the little birdies will be safe" - No way Jose (or no way BC1, )
They're gettin' the hell out, consequences be damned (and driving fast and eating cheese, if anyone out there gets the reference) -

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He looked bigger when I couldn't see him.

I can see your point, but I did not mean to imply an impact on the immediate area would bother Mal & crew, but rather an impact on the moon itself or its atmo. If their burn altered the atmo so it was harmful to the people there, I don't think Mal would have done it. He would have come up with another plan.

Now if the burn only affected the area below their trajectory and a few plants and animals were harmed, I don't think he would be concerned.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

BADGERSHAT

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:01 PM

I gotta say--

I honestly think that the Reavers don't leave their ship, except to board another ship in space. I get the idea that sunlight, real ground, and un-recycled atmosphere disagree with them greatly.

I think they just got caught up in the explosion, got knocked around a bit, and then left for space again, to carry on as usual.

Also, I think they are just one of countless Reaver ships, and have short memories anyway--why would they remember Serenity specifically, if she's only one out of a whole class of ship?

--The Hat

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"I like smackin 'em"--Jayne

ANNIGERRIA

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 10:34 PM

Static, you have a wicked sense of logical consequenses...

TALVIN

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 11:27 PM

Regarding the Reaver ship being destroyed or not...

If you watch "Serenity" with the commentary, Joss and Nathan do briefly discuss it. A bit much to quote from memory, but it was an important point that the crew did NOT win, they did NOT destroy the bad guys...they just lived. They got away.

So Joss, at least, thinks the Reavers survived that little set-to. I suspect his opinion matters.

MORDRAIG

Wednesday, April 14, 2004 12:11 AM

There was mention in an eppisode where a town was hit by reavers so the theory that they only prey on space faring traffic is out.

When they were passing the Reaver ship, Jayne's selection of weapons was interesting to me. He grabbed a single shot weapon with what looked to be about a 40mm round. Not very effective against a great deal of raiders but damn sure the biggest thing he had. He didn't grab Vera which is his pride and joy.

We all saw how the survivor of the reaver attack mutilated himself and how he reacted when he went nutsoid. But he was still just a survivor and not a full blown Reaver. Me thinks they are hard to put down in a terminator kind of way ... will keep coming until they are just itty bitty pieces. Might even have some level of psychic abilities which would explain the Blue Hands mind meddeling with River and others as perhaps a direct weapon against the Reavers?

SENTRY001

Wednesday, April 14, 2004 1:14 AM

Hi there this is my first post.

I don't think the Reavers could take out the entire population of whitefall, besides the fact that doing so doesn't really fit with what we've been told about how they attack. From what we know about them (which is very little really) they are presented as more the 'hit and run' types. They attack the transport in Bushwacked which did have a fare amount of people on it maybe enough for a small village no more, they do give a rough number but I don't recall it. We also know for fact that they don't always attack it seems they attack when they are hungry and if they are not there is a good chance they will pass you by, as seen when we first see them in the pilot. It wouldn't really fit to have them take out all of Whitefall just on the fact that they wouldn't need to eat that many people. They might wipe out a town or a very large farm but when they are full they would run.

As said in the commentary they didn't destory the Reavers they just got enought time to get away. I agree the Reavers would be really mad but not enought to try and kill the whole population of the moon. It would be dumb for the Reavers to try, remember though they are crazy they aren't stupid We get the empression that Whitefall is a farely big place, not just one town, most likely a few towns all run by Patience.

I have personally always thought it would be cool if the Reavers picked up Dobson though. I sort of think he lived, I don't remember them checking to make sure he was dead before they tossed him out the cargo bay door. That would open up the idea that he could come back at some point. He was already pretty crazy to start with so maybe the Reavers would make him one of their own. It would be really cool and would be a nice pay off if when the show comes back to tv and they finaly get to have a face to face with the Reavers that Dobson would be one of them, all freaky looking with a huge scar where mal shot him

keep flying...

LJOSALF

Wednesday, April 14, 2004 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by Mordraig:
When they were passing the Reaver ship, Jayne's selection of weapons was interesting to me. He grabbed a single shot weapon with what looked to be about a 40mm round. Not very effective against a great deal of raiders but damn sure the biggest thing he had. He didn't grab Vera which is his pride and joy....Me thinks they are hard to put down in a terminator kind of way ... will keep coming until they are just itty bitty pieces. Might even have some level of psychic abilities which would explain the Blue Hands mind meddeling with River and others as perhaps a direct weapon against the Reavers?

All interesting points and worth considering. I would like to point out that Inara is calmer and more in control than Jayne is in this sequence. Jayne's hands shake as he is loading his gun. Here's a thought: if you invert the stereotypes--as Joss has been known to do--instead of "big, tough man preparing to fight tooth and nail; weak, ineffectual woman contemplating suicide to spare herself the horror", you have Inara reaching for an effective weapon and Jayne making sure he didn't suffer when the Reavers overwhelmed the ship as they surely would have, had they attacked. Joss does mention in the commentary that Inara's hypo is not the suicide method it appears on the surface to be and Jayne is always the most unnerved whenever Reavers are mentioned.

Just a thought.

Ljosalf

The voyage of discovery is not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes.
Marcel Proust (1871 - 1922)

ECGORDON

Wednesday, April 14, 2004 11:54 AM

I think it is possible the Reavers attacked somewhere on Whitefall out of frustration of not capturing Serenity. But when you consider the amount of time the chase took up before they performed the Crazy Ivan and full burn, they were probably halfway around to the other side of the moon from where Patience was.

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