Why isn't Hillary in jail ?
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Friday, November 2, 2007 19:47
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Actually I believe in the President
When people say they "believe" in something, all I can think of is that they have a religion, and all that goes along with religious beliefs. It's very hard to penetrate and change someone's religion because belief systems aren't about evidence, they're about... belief. Trust. Faith. Emotions rather than thought.
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heh,
Are you saying Hero, that because we didn't lose a soldier in Iraq for a full week, that should be lauded as some sort of success of our policy, and how things are working over there? What exactly would be the point of covering that tidbit of information? Maybe for a collective sense of respit and a temporary sigh of relief, but other than being thankful that no more servicemen died in that period, I'm not sure what value that ditbit of information has...
maybe you can enlighten me as to what that means? You can not tell me that that is on par with the networks covering soldier deaths when they happen. When a soldier dies, that is news in my opinion, and it represents a cumulative consequence of this war. When we go a measly week without a soldier dying, it suggests what?
A lucky week, amidst very unlucky weeks. I hope we have more of them. I hope we reduce the deaths of our soldiers while they still have to be over there. If we can get a long term trend of reduced soldier deaths in Iraq over a period of a couple months, then it might be worth reporting. Until then, its just for the sake of rhetoric.
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I believe what Hero is trying to say is it is possible that there is a 'turning tide', that perhaps it is a light at the end of the tunnel.
Not that I necessarily agree, but it does seem they are trying something new in Iraq, which is depending more on the tribal leaders. Personally, I'm very concerned this is a trade for short term 'peace' for a long term problem; the long term risk being that the tribal leaders won't ever really be interested in empowering the central government. However, the risk could pay off; if there is enough peace, the center may be able to establish something of value to the Iraqi people allowing a stable, and hopefully democratic, government to 'come out'.
In any case, I do try to see the bright side. I just hope there is one here.
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The bright side is that they'll find a way to declare 'victory' and leave right before the election. Reality be damned. (As it has been for a few years.)
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Rue,
I'd be delighted if they found an excuse to pull out of Iraq before the election. My expectation is we will still have over 100,000 on Jan 1, 2009 in Iraq.
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Those are mere technicalities, but good enough to make an arrest without a warrant, either by police or citizen. But there are plenty of other felonies to arrest her for, including mass murder and terrorist bombings - Waco, WTC 93, OKC, Iraq, Arkancides. And isn't homosexuality still a crime, like it is for all soldiers?
All it takes is any person to make the arrest, or any person to file Affidavit of Probable Cause for Criminal Complaint (not filed with police, but filed with a judge to order an arrest warrant, or grand jury foreman). Here's how I file criminal charges against crooked politicians, crooked cops and military commanders who dare follow illegal orders:
www.piratenews.org/newslinks.html
This is very easy to do, which is why this week, our fascist Congress demanded arrest and summary execution of all internet users as homegrown terrorists, guilty of Orwellian Thoughtcrime:
www.infowars.com/articles/ps/thought_crime_bill_could_ensnare_peaceful
_activists.htm
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YO ! Look it up !
Time to call your senators and tell them this bill stinks !!!!
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1955
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It's not the getting out that bothers me, it's the disinformation.
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Originally posted by Righteous9:
I'm not sure what value that ditbit of information has...
Ah, I see. The information is useful for a number of reasons. One, there is almost constant coverage of the deaths in Iraq. Not the death of individual soldiers, which is generally reserved for local news, but the raw statistics. 2 died here, three died there...countdown to 1,000, the 1,500, then 2,000. Failing to then report the lack of casualties for a measurable period of time is ignoring the other side of the story presented by highlighting the run up casualties during other weeks. In order to be fair, both sides must be presented...particularly during a long, evolving story like Iraq.
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When a soldier dies, that is news in my opinion, and it represents a cumulative consequence of this war. When we go a measly week without a soldier dying, it suggests what?
It could, as you suggest mean a lucky week and could be used to place the mounting casualties into perspective. Unfortunately such a conclusion is not supported by the facts in this case.
So what does it suggest. Months ago the President decided to change strategy. Since the strategy went fully online at the end of June violence in Iraq has dramatically dropped. Some reports place the overall reduction in violence at over 80%. American casulaties have steadily dropped and posted a week without deaths in a month with the lowest rates following series of months with dramatically lower rates. In simple terms its a trend. A positive trend.
A positive trend culiminating in extremely good news (no deaths last week) following a substantive change in strategy is news, especially given all the negative news Iraq has received. I recall news stories declaring failure, before the new strategy started, news stories claiming a civil war was going on, news about deaths, news about torture, and little positive news except that brought back by our returning troops.
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If we can get a long term trend of reduced soldier deaths in Iraq over a period of a couple months, then it might be worth reporting. Until then, its just for the sake of rhetoric.
American casualty rates have dropped 73% since June. Only FOX News is reporting it on TV...although I saw it on Drudge too.
During the last week no network, other then FOX told the story of the Medal of Honor Bush awarded to a Seal who died in Afganistan. It was some story. "...for conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life" this Seal, already wounded, braved enemy fire to make a radio call and save his team which was under fire by a large Taliban force.
The media is always glad to talk about how many have died. I think how they died and more importantly how they lived can be news too.
That Seal believed in his mission and his men and he showed us true courage. I doubt his last words were "don't tase me bro" yet we all heard that battle cry and not that of the fallen soldier. That aint right.
H
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Originally posted by Hero:
I think the ugliness of the Bush-haters goes all the way back to the 2000 election. Some people could not accept the outcome. If Gore had won there'd be Gore-haters.
The reason the Bush-haters are so desperate now is because of their anger and bitterness over the 2000 and 2004 elections. The way they see it the first election was stolen, so they are mad, but the second election was lost and for that they blame the American people. Thus they are more and more willing to throw aside simple decorum and common curtosy because they think the people, knowing the truth, failed to make things right. Add in a little liberal extremism, anarchy, a liberal press bias, the internet, and a war and you get what we have today.
I note for the record, no network (other then FOX) broadcast that last week there were NO, zero, nada, absolutely zilch deaths of American servicement in Iraq. They have further failed to report the dramatic fall in American, Iraqi military, and civilian casualties and the dramatic decrease in violence, bombings, and insurgency actions since the end of June when the final surge units arrived in theater.
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Bush's cousin Gore took a dive in 2000. Heck, I literally fight traffic tickets harder than Gore fought for the White House. All the Supreme Whores did was remand the case, so Gore didn't lose, he quit. Heck, he even conceded defeat before the votes were counted (in secret by the Voter News Service Corporation). Bush's cousin Kerry was paid a $50-million bribe to take a dive, in "leftover campaign contributions", and the Green Pary had to pay for Kerry's recounts in Ohio, where the election commissioners were sent to prison.
As for Fox's allegation that no soldiers died in Iraq, that don't count off the battlefield, don't count 100,000 illegal alien soldiers in Iraq, don't count CIA mercs, don't count 10,000 dead Iraqis per WEEK, don't count 100,000 dead US Gulf War soldiers so far, don't count 700,000 disabled US Gulf War soldiers so far. Hell, Fox cant even add to 17, which is haw many years the Iraq War has raged ever day, genociding 2.6-million Iraqis, so far.
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