More objects in space..

POSTED BY: gnoc
UPDATED: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 16:41
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GNOC

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 4:30 PM

Wow, after watching if the second time I have some major questions that I am scared have no answers.

First of all:
Simon and the bounty hunter (forgot his name; loved his character). When Simon says are you alliance and he relpies something about a lion and Simon repeats and the guy says something like Weird. Then he asks if he is a bounty hunter he says no and then says he is a bounty hunter. What is going on here? Is River in his brain making say things?

Second:
The Shepard. Saying he doesn't care if she is innocent. When the Bounty hunter sees him with Simon and he says- that ain't no shepard. We all know there is something up with Shepard. But, is he evil? Did he leave the gun laying in the cargo hall for River to find? If he is bad, why does river have a relationship with him?

What a great episode. Has to be one of my favorites. But, what a way to end the series. I hope the bounty hunter lived. He was a great character.. very funny and disturbing.

SPOOKYJESUS

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 6:06 PM

Nicely spotted with the Early (Bounty Hunter) and River simularities in there speech's ect. River could well be manipulating his mind but I think, with the context of everything that Joss was trying to say in that episode (listen to the commentary rather than read my ranting's about Joss' genious) I think that the rants from Early were part of his character.

Early's a hunter - very connected to his surroundings, in tune with his enviroment - who spends alot of time by himself in his little ship and as such comes up with little muses about the universe "Is a room still a room if there's no body in it?"

Joss used him as a contrast element to River who in this episode is in the process of being accepted by the Serenity family - and finding her place within the ship (an object that she's still relating to - off setting Early's hunter eyes reading the place and it's inhabitants.

I LOVE THIS EPISODE and I could rant all day but the rants would be long and boring and difficult to read with sense.

Watch the episode again with audio commentary - more things will make sense when you understand the statement that Joss was trying to make with this one.

GNOC

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 6:18 PM

how do you turn the commentary on?

SHINY

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 6:20 PM

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Originally posted by gnoc:
how do you turn the commentary on?

Go to the languages menu

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SKYDANCE

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 6:41 PM

First: I think it's two interlaced conversations, but I haven't untangled them (yet). His "no, that isn't it" is an answer to some internal dialog or earlier question (perhaps related to "imbue"). Simon takes it as an answer to his question, so he asks what Early is. Early responds directly to this question: "I'm a Bounty Hunter."

Second: "I don't give half a hump if you're innocent; so where does that leave you?"

It appears to be said to River, but it might not have anything to do with her. It's a reading of something central to the man, remember. It might be an internal feeling related to Jayne. Maybe Jayne was involved in killing Book's partner, back when he was an active Alliance agent? Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer ....

Assume it was a comment about River, though. River's Big Stuff. Supersecret. What if Book is part of a faction that opposes the Blue Hands? A political faction, perhaps, or maybe something more like the rivalry between the CIA and the FBI. Or, something like the Vatican Special Forces (which was a theoretical secret organisation created in one movie I saw, once upon a time).

No matter what Book's past, when he met Kaylee, she noticed he was "looking at the ships, not the destinations." What if he was looking for a specific Firefly, based on its description? He might be helping them, but that doesn't mean he's not also spying on them at the same time ....

BADGERSHAT

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 7:22 PM

Hey folks--

As always, The Hat is here to lend a few cents.

I think, based on what I've read, that everyone on this site might well be near-genius level. The questions are brilliant, the responses they generate more so, and so far, everyone seems not only intelligent but RESPECTFUL of other people's ideas and opinions.

That being said--

I think Early is just plain nuts. He's alone most of the time, and probably is on the edge of sheer insanity. Listening to his responses, and that whole "freak out" sequence while he's yakking with River (the quick cuts with his weird faces, etc), it leads me to conclude that he's a half step from Reaverville... but I digress.

About Book and his odd statement in River's perception...
I think it's impossible to figure this guy out. He's either a good guy with some weirdness, or a bad guy play-acting, or neither, or both (did that clear it up for you?).

Personally, I think he's sort of a mix between Alliance spy, and refugee on the lam... with a slight possibility of being the Dude In Charge (We've never seen or heard anything about an Alliance President, have we?). Maybe he's out scoping the terrain, or perhaps he had the same conditioning as River, but successfully, and KNEW where she'd be... but he's assigned to see how far HER conditioning went before reporting back to the Alliance... or perhaps he a sort of Yoda, where he knows about her ordeal, and is there on behalf of a Rebellion type group, trying to slowly correct her Alliance induced problems...

I could go on and on, but I'd probably crash the site...

-The Hat

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"I like smackin 'em"--Jayne

WOOBABY

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:02 PM

Slightly off topic but...

In Objects:
I have always wondered why River doesn’t get a “psychic impression” off of Kaylee? It appears that she gets impressions off of everyone else.

~ Woobaby
"You may be the universe's butt-puppet, but I am its right-hand Fist Of Fate."
-Wonderfalls

BADGERSHAT

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:13 PM

I always assumed it had something to do with the fact that Kaylee was the only one who saw the shooting incident, and had such a strong fear and avoidance of River after it...

Maybe her sense of fear caused some sort of mental shielding type thing, that block River from getting an impression from Kaylee?

Also, going back to Book's thoughts--keep in mind that not all of the imnpressions River got were about her. Mal and Inara's impressions had nothing to do with River, they were about each other (I think). So maybe Book's thoughts were about something with Jayne, or maybe Book is a whacko going crazy, talking to people who aren't there (a la the New York City Subway).

Or maybe I don't have the slightest idea what the hell I'm talking about.

--The Hat

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"I like smackin 'em"--Jayne

MILORADELL

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:17 PM

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I have always wondered why River doesn’t get a “psychic impression” off of Kaylee? It appears that she gets impressions off of everyone else.

I noticed that myself, and I think it's because with Kaylee, what you see is what you get. There isn't anything hidden.

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ZELDA

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:17 PM

Perhaps because Kaylee is the only one with nothing to hide? She seems to be more honest & direct than anyone else on the ship.

Besides, she doesn't really get a personality-read off of Zoe & Wash either... In the end it probably just boils down to a combination of plausibility & what the writers wanted to reveal.

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