I think. . .

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STATIC

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 3:24 AM

Patience is probably dead.

We're discussing in another thread what villains from the original 13 eps. we'd see in the movie/new series and something occurred to me.

I don't think the Reaver ship was destroyed when they took Serenity into the crazy ivan and then went for full burn. They were tossed about, but then Wash or Mal made the comment of the Reavers not being able to 'come around in time' or somesuch.

SO. . .now we have a shipload of Reavers who are hungry, angry and humiliated. . .and look at that. . .here we are on a planet.

I'm betting they laid waste to Whitefall just as a tantrum sort of thing after being made to look stupid by Serenity. I figure that first the 'alpha male' of the party (going with the whole pack/tribe mentality) killed the pilot of their own ship for his failure, then they headed for town to satisfy the bloodlust of the rest of the group that had probably been worked into a frenzy with the notion of catching and boarding Serenity.

So I bet Patience is now a lovely dinner jacket.

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KINGOFKOINS

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 4:03 AM

Well, that's nice for her then.

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SEVENPERCENT

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 4:05 AM

I could easily see Mal referencing that event later on, in a 'didnt you hear what became of Patience' sorta way- But, while this is a good idea, and highly possible, I'm not sure I'd go for it, and here's why-
Reavers apparently were very good at taking down unarmed transports and out of the way settlements, but Patience's gang seemed pretty well armed- And I'm betting what she brought with her to meet Mal was only a fraction of the force she actually had (just enough to take him down, or so she thought)- We have to face it, we just dont know with what or how well the Reavers are armed, or how many men they come with- Look at it like this- Lets say for the sake of argument that a Reaver crew is, oh, lets make it 35 (3-4x Serenity, based on ship size)- Now, 35 loonies armed with guns and knives are dangerous to transports and maybe small warships, and new settlements of a few hundred- But to a population of a couple thousand, led by armed personnel, not a threat (and I get the idea, call me crazy, that Patience runs a sizeable show)- Even if you up that number to 100 Reavers, same thing- There's only so many- And Patience and the townsfolk would obviously have seen the lightshow and been half-assed on guard-
But I have to admit, your way makes for better storytelling-

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WYDRAZ

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 4:44 AM

The Reavers could have caught up with Patience in the valley before she made it back to town. That's my hope, at least.

DAVCO92

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 4:47 AM

You're probably right Sevenpercent, but don't forget the role that panic could play in the situation. If Jayne is absolutely terrified of Reavers then imagine how some ordinarly townsfolk on the rim would react. Jayne may have first hand knowledge of Reavers, giving rise to his apprehension - but somehow I doubt it. It's probably based on rumors, which would likely have an even greater impact on civillians & simple hired guns. Either way, I figure them there folk'd run like spooked cattle. He he...steak on the hoof...fire up the grill, it's time to do some Reavin.

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SIGMANUNKI

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 4:57 AM

I'm not so sure that patience could repel an assault. If the Reavers had say 100 and rushed a town from one end they could easily overcome the defenses at that point. I think it was said that Patience runs half that moon but that probably isn't just one town. And even if it is there probably a lot farming out there, etc. So, unless most of the people are armed, I give the Reavers a good chance at lunch.

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BROWNCOAT1

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 1:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Davco92:
You're probably right Sevenpercent, but don't forget the role that panic could play in the situation. If Jayne is absolutely terrified of Reavers then imagine how some ordinarly townsfolk on the rim would react. Jayne may have first hand knowledge of Reavers, giving rise to his apprehension - but somehow I doubt it. It's probably based on rumors, which would likely have an even greater impact on civillians & simple hired guns. Either way, I figure them there folk'd run like spooked cattle. He he...steak on the hoof...fire up the grill, it's time to do some Reavin.

Though I do not think Whitefall was hit by the Reavers, and it would appear from watching the show that the Reaver ship might have been destroyed, I do agree w/ Davco92.

The fear evident in Jayne and the crew at the mere mention of Reavers is enough to tell me that the average person who is not accustomed to combat is going to run scared at the thought of Reavers on their world. Patience and her hired guns might make a stand, so long as the odds are even or in their favor. Patience has a vested interest and would fight, but the problem w/ hired guns is that they normally break and run to protect their own skins if the tide turns against them.

I would also think we would have heard of a Reaver attack on Whitefall if it had happened. There would have been some mention of it in the series somewhere, perhaps the episode Bushwhacked since there was a Reaver encounter in it.

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LIZ

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 1:42 PM

i don't think the Reavers hit whitefall either... i mean, if they could take out a town or two, why would they bother to go after Serenity in the first place?

HATEHATEHATEFOX

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 5:35 PM

I often wondered what the ground effects were of the afterburn that Serenity left in atmo when they escaped the Reavers in the pilot. I mean, it looks like a B.D.Explosion and since they'd ignited the air (right?) would that mean it would burn all the way to the ground? Or would it alter the weather patterns of the planetoid since they must have ate up a good deal of the Oxygen out of the atmo?

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BROWNCOAT1

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 6:42 PM

Interesting things to ponder HateHateHateFox. I would think that the effects would not be widespread or too detrimental to the atmo or enviroment. If it had wide ranging effects I don't think Mal would have suggested it and someone would have spoke up if it were.

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