Heroes 2.0 [SPOILERS]
POSTED BY: deepgirl187
UPDATED: Thursday, October 25, 2007 12:38
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
I'm really hoping that the plot this season begins to explain my biggest question from last season, namely: what the heck was it that made the last generation of super people go so bad (excepting Charles, of course--loved his conversation out of time with Peter about love)? I mean, here we got a guy who can make lame men walk and blind men see and he's running casinos and taking out contracts on people? What happened there?
"Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely."
I think that explaining the actions of the last generation is going to be one of the main themes of this season. If you think about it, what they've really been focusing is how things got to where they are now. Noah and Mohinder are looking for answers in The Company, Nathan and Matt are focusing on the actions of their parents, Hiro has found what may be the source of everyone's abilities. I think all of these divergent story lines really center around the previous generation in one way or another.
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Parkman's dad had me fooled there for a minute but in his own words he is a real scumbag. Tricking Matt and Nathan into fighting each other was a nice touch. I like that Matt's ability is starting to evolve, the one true thing his father said is that "reading minds is only the beginning". Maybe the people who wanted Matt killed off because he could only read minds will shut up now.
Ms. Bell doesn't know how lucky she was to have been pulled from her assignment. She would have been shocked(pun intended) to find out Peter would have been unaffected by her ability. Pretty cold blooded of her frying that guy the way she did. You would think she has a lower power setting for interrogation.
Mohinder is treading dangerous water. Oddly enough Noah warned him not to do exactly what he always does: whatever is necessary to save someone he cares for. I imagine The Company will try to twist him into another HRG.
Speaking of The Company they must have promised Nikki that they could suppress Jessica completely. It's more likely that they are interested in Jessica becomming the dominant personality in order to utilized her people skills. Looks like she wasn't too interested in complicance. Big shock! I'm liking her story arc a lot more this year.
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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
"Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely."
Hey deepgirl,
I think that's stretching the context of the original idea to the breaking point. The "power" Lord Acton was talking about was political power, not personal powers, gifts or abilities. Just because you're a wiz at math doesn't mean you're a bad person. Einstein and Da Vinci weren't corrupt, either.
I'll grant you, a person has the power to control other people's minds, he may very well use it to do harm; but the ability to heal? How ya gonna use that to further your selfish ends? No, I think Linderman went bad very much in spite of his healing gift. And I wanna know why.
Interestingly, in tonight's episode, "Fight or Flight," Parkman's corrupt father suggests that "power corrupts" as well in his deceitful manipulation of his son and Nathan. I think that's a sure sign that the answer lies elsewhere.
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So Veronica Mars is Doctor Doom, apparently? 
I see your point, HK. But I also think that some of the previous generation (and for that matter, this generation) of Heroes felt that becuase they had these amazing powers all of a sudden, that gave them the excuse to use them however they wanted, with no consequence as to who they hurt in the process. I think it would be very easy to take that whole "I can do whatever I want" mentality. And I also think that Linderman's healing gift worked in the opposite direction as well. Kind of like Shawn Ferrell on The 4400.
On another note, it amazes me how many people don't like Matt. I always saw him as an average guy trying to do the best he could. And considering the circumstances, that's a pretty tall order. I'm glad they seem to be evolving his ability. You can do a lot of interesting things with telepathy.
Why did Peter buy a plane ticket to Montreal, I wonder? Unless the worst is happening like I feared, and he does have an alternate personality. Which also probably means they're going to have to kill him off, or somehow make him less powerful, like they're doing with Sylar.
Which brings me to another point. In the promo for next week, we saw Sylar telling Alejandro he would kill him once he got his ability back. Does he also plan to kill Maya? It will be interesting to see what he plans to do. I'm thinking the writers might be leaning towards, if not redemption, a reassessment of values for Sylar.
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Well, Ms Bell's character sure will bring something to the mix. She seems to work for the Company? Daddy? Who is her father? Could it be Mohinder's contact at the Company? Somehow I am thinking it is a player we have not seen yet.
So Peter has a plane ticket for Montreal and paints a picture of two shadowy figures, presumably he and Caitlin, outside a building in said town. Could be he was working a lead or contact prior to his memory loss which would explain the ticket. His power to see the future could have been triggered by a strong need to go there. Opening the box sure was anti-climatic.
Not much on Hiro this week. He's still running around with Kensei trying to right history.
I like that Micca and his cousin (still forgetting her name) are forming a bond. Muscle mimic? I like the sound of that. Copycat? Not so much. Cool how she was watching "Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story" and picking up his moves. Should be interesting to see where they take her character.
Matt's dad is a good bad guy. I can't believe Matt fell for his crap and followed him alone into the back room. Good to know Matt's power can grow and take on new aspects. Can't wait to see them develop his character a bit more.
I agree that the Company might be trying to suppress Nikki and let Jessica gain total control. Could be they want Jessica as an operative.
Alejandro doesn't understand English, so Sylar's threat probably means nothing to him. Sylar knows Maya is the only one of the twins to speak English so I doubt he makes his threat where she can hear it. Alejandro is no fool though, so I doubt he missed the look on Sylar's face or his tone. He didn't look too happy with Sylar either. Could be a showdown brewing between those two, but if Sylar gets his powers back no way Alejandro will last a minute against him.
I still don't see Peter as having a split personality or going bad like Sylar. I think Peter is young and still trying to find his place. No doubt his nearly being responsible for the destruction of NYC screwed with his head, but I'm still am not convinced his exposure to Nikki has caused him to develop a split personality.
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I think the explanation for Peter's amnesia is more simple than the Haitian or a split personality. I think it boils down to one of two things. Either his brain was knocked out of whack from releasing so much energy or his subconcious tried to repress the memory of killing Nathan.
The whole Sylar/wonder twins story seemed to be going nowhere but for the preview next week. There was also a line in the preview about someone experimenting with the virus. If that is referring to what Maya does it is may possible that she and her brother did not come by their abilities naturally. She could be sent to a location, do her viral thing, then send him in when the job is done to contain the outbreak. Those abilities seem tailor made for use as a biological weapon.
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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
But I also think that some of the previous generation (and for that matter, this generation) of Heroes felt that becuase they had these amazing powers all of a sudden, that gave them the excuse to use them however they wanted, with no consequence as to who they hurt in the process. I think it would be very easy to take that whole "I can do whatever I want" mentality.
Yes, absolutely. Wouldn't have thought ol' Lindy's power could be reversed, but this is a sci-fi fantasy show, so anything goes, of course.
I surely hope they don't "feel the need" to disempower Peter or Gabriel permanently. I don't see how either of them is "god" and there is still plenty of room for vulnerability and confusion from these two--and dealing with forces they can't handle. It's so very weak to open a door with the narrative and simply close it again, 'cause the writers can't rise to the occasion.
I like the idea of Gabriel having to start from scratch steeling new powers. Hey, did anyone else hear him say something like "once I get my body back" in the teaser for next week? It looks to me that the writers are very interested in making Gabriel as complicated a personality as they can. A little hope of redemption here, a little back-sliding there, a dash of sympathy and a pound of brutality. Don't much see him getting the full redemption treatment, though--I mean, he did bash that fellow's brains in with a brick without a second thought and without super powers. Yeah, he's a bad man. On the other hand, if he did get redemption it would prolly have to be the sacrificing himself to bring down the Company type o' deal. Or, now that I'm thinking along these lines, Gabriel could gain a power that has a side effect of making him realize how precious life is and he has to go through some tremendous metamorphosis.
Part of the trouble with Matt is he's such a normie. He and Mohinder have been gobbling up blue pills since the series began--they just haven't realized how lawless and dangerous their world actually is. "Hey, Molly is terrified of some guy she calls the Nightmare Man and says that if she finds him he can see her--so let's have her find the guy!" "Hey, I'll infiltrate the Company and then rely on them to protect me!" The two of them are pretty funny in a messed up sorta way.
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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
I also think that some of the previous generation (and for that matter, this generation) of Heroes felt that becuase they had these amazing powers all of a sudden, that gave them the excuse to use them however they wanted, with no consequence as to who they hurt in the process. I think it would be very easy to take that whole "I can do whatever I want" mentality. And I also think that Linderman's healing gift worked in the opposite direction as well. Kind of like Shawn Ferrell on The 4400.
Linderman wouldn't necessarily need to reverse his healing power in order to take advantage of it. He could simply use the ability to heal those who would benefit him. Imagine him in his younger days blackmailing people who had influence and or money enabling him to gain the power he desired.
I'm really liking the overriding theme of this season comparing the downfall of the last generation of heroes vs. some of the current heroes decisions about doing what they perceive as being right. Along with the power corrupts theme I think the quote "the road to Hell is paved with good intentions" sums up the overall theme of this season.
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Could be you're right about Peter's amnesia. It could be as simple as a backlash of the release of that much energy when he exploded above NYC, but somehow I am thinking it is not that simple. Where did he fall after the explosion? How badly was he injured from the fall? Could that be what caused the amnesia? For that matter what is with the horribly burned Nathan we keep seeing? Did that happen after the explosion? How did he get healed if so?
I don't think it likely that Peter thinking Nathan dead from flying off with him before the explosion is the cause either. He has a pic of Nathan and seeing it in the box didn't trigger any reaction at all. He simply had no idea who it was.
Could it be some drug was used on him? Perhaps a form of the drug or power used on Sylar to dampen his abilities? Could it be the Company or some other group was looking to put Peter under the glass they way they had done with Sylar? Why else would he be handcuffed inside an ocean container in the port of Cork? And who sent Caitlin's brother's crew to open that container? Was it a mistake or did someone send them to free Peter?
Lots of questions and few answers so far.
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Originally posted by singate:
There was also a line in the preview about someone experimenting with the virus. If that is referring to what Maya does it is may possible that she and her brother did not come by their abilities naturally. She could be sent to a location, do her viral thing, then send him in when the job is done to contain the outbreak. Those abilities seem tailor made for use as a biological weapon.
Maybe. I think it is something BC1 and U eluded to in earlier posts. Using it to gain an operative in Jessica. They promised Nikki a "Cure" and thus experimented with the virus and perhaps on others. In the teaser for next week, Jessica was in the background, without her hospital gown on. ...and then we see Suresh about to inject something into "Muscle Mimic"'s arm, which then flashes to Suresh throwing a chair into a fridge full of vials.
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