Now that BSG season 3 has befuddled us...which is better, the Original or the new?

POSTED BY: chrisisall
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JONGSSTRAW

Friday, October 19, 2007 10:10 AM

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Jane Seymour in her flight suit during training....oh my.
Haven't actually seen those eps since 1979!!!
She was my first crush Chrisisall

On the DVD interviews, Noah Hathaway who played Boxey had a great segment describing how he actually considered Jane his mother & how much he truly loved and worshipped her, and how he was totally devastated when she "died" on the show after only the 2nd epidsode. He said it was quite traumatic. Richard Hatch, the lucky bastard who got to make out with her & caress her also was head over heals in love with her and told how he was devastated when she left. As an early immediate fan of the show I too felt that way. I can only imagine that if she had stayed longer before becoming a tv-movie & movie superstar, Battlestar would have have a longer run than one season. Dirk Benedict said that he thought the show had really come into it's stride at the end; all the characters and relationships were developing, they had so much potential material to work with, etc... and he thought it was on the verge of a long run. Then, without any notice the network ABC says it's over...bam!
He was lucky and got A Team pretty soon. The interview with Lance LeGault is terrific also...and one of the most interesting things I learned is how much they all respected John Colicos, in his over-the-top, yet ever-believably compelling portrayal of Baltar. To this day, I can look back at that pivotal moment in the Pilot when ultra-naive, "liberal", wanna make peace President Lew Ayres turns around and realizes what an utter fool idiot dupe he and his Govt. were, and how he is resonsible for the destruction of humanity & civilization. I think that potential scenario still rings true even louder now than ever in our little corner of the galaxy.

CAUSAL

Friday, October 19, 2007 12:21 PM

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Boomer a Cylon, now that was original! And it weren't entirely disfunctional to introduce the 'what-if' question either, to explain some of the psychology of our "No more Mr. Nice Gaius". But Starbuck, Anders, Tyrol, Tigh, and Tory?? That's like someone opened an airlock, and all the show's credibility got sucked right into space! ("blown", as Data would say).

But we don't "know" that they're Cylons. There may be strong reasons to suspect that they are. But there may be something else to explain the phenomenon that they're all experiencing. Until we see the final five we won't know.

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ASARIAN

Friday, October 19, 2007 12:37 PM

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Boomer a Cylon, now that was original! And it weren't entirely disfunctional to introduce the 'what-if' question either, to explain some of the psychology of our "No more Mr. Nice Gaius". But Starbuck, Anders, Tyrol, Tigh, and Tory?? That's like someone opened an airlock, and all the show's credibility got sucked right into space! ("blown", as Data would say).

But we don't "know" that they're Cylons. There may be strong reasons to suspect that they are. But there may be something else to explain the phenomenon that they're all experiencing. Until we see the final five we won't know.

Fair enough. But even playing the Cylon card, or playing with playing it, irks me something fierce now, as they clearly used it to make sure people bridge that cliff hanger, come Season 4, whether it all turns out to be true or no. A lame ploy, if they did that. But one that works, nonetheless, as I'll definitely be watching the continuation. :)

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CHRISISALL

Friday, October 19, 2007 1:46 PM

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To this day, I can look back at that pivotal moment in the Pilot when ultra-naive, "liberal", wanna make peace President Lew Ayres turns around and realizes what an utter fool idiot dupe he and his Govt. were, and how he is responsible for the destruction of humanity & civilization. I think that potential scenario still rings true even louder now than ever in our little corner of the galaxy.

I wouldn't say louder than ever, there is always the potential to go too far one way or another; we must be strong and prepared...as Teddy said, walk softly and carry a big stick

Or was that Bugs Chrisisall

P.S. Lovin' the classic- I like my Baltar straight-up bad!

CHRISISALL

Friday, October 19, 2007 5:11 PM

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Saw the old series when it first came out, was really into it, for the first season. Then things started getting repetitive: Cylons attack, humans running away, over and over and over.

I'll agree that after the first season, the Original BSG just sucked...

SnarkyChrisisall

CHRISISALL

Friday, October 19, 2007 6:09 PM

Testing a new avi..

Chrisisall

CAUSAL

Friday, October 19, 2007 9:32 PM

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Testing a new avi..

Chrisisall

That. Is. SO COOL!

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CHRISISALL

Friday, October 19, 2007 9:41 PM

Yeah, I love how they kept the classic look, but sleeked it up.

LAUNCHisall

EVERYTHINGSSHINY2K6

Saturday, October 20, 2007 12:50 AM

A couple of thoughts on this topic.

To begin with regard to season 3 there were several issues which I have picked up on which I think have contributed to Season 3 not being the best ever season of BSG (Although still better than most of the crap thats on TV at the moment)

1. Most of the seasons budget seems to have been blown in the first 4 episodes: Location shooting is expensive especially considering the scale this was on not forgetting the seriously awesome special effects in Exodus part 2 which must have cost a bucket load. This meant that for the rest of the season they had less money meaning that they could not do as much "fun stuff" and had to do bottle episodes utilising pre-existing sets and stock footage

2. Network interference: Any browncoat worth their salt knows this simple mantra "The network knows nothing!" I was listening to one of the podcasts done by RDM regarding the third series and one of the things that he said was the network had put pressure on him to do more standalone episodes rather than stories that contribute directly to the arc of BSG so more viewers could get into it. Anyone who watches the show would have noticed that arc based stories were not as prevelant or as essential to the plot as in previous seasons most story arcs for season 3 the central "final 5" story arc was built up very slowly and only appears prevelantly in the episodes Rapture/Eye of Jupiter and Crossroads (1&2) Baltars trial the other major arc was only gotten into the last half of part 2 of the season. Battlestar is a show that is meant to be arc driven and doesnt cope as well with single story episodes (despite some damn good quality ones in season 1)

3. The whole series is one long story: Every story has three parts or acts, a beginning, a middle, and an end. RDM commented that Maelstrom is the episode that marks the end of Act 2 of BSG. What follows is my interpretation of the breakdown of BSG's acts

Teaser/Prologue: Miniseries

Act 1: "33" through to "Pegasus"/"Reserrection Ship Part 2"

Act 2: "Epiphanies" to "Maelstrom"

Act 3: "The Son also Rises" to the end of season 4.

We can see that the episodes and that are most criticised in BSG (the end of season 2 and season 3) are in the middle. Anyone who watches a film or reads a book knows that the middle of story is were the writers concentrate most on character development leaving out the juicy bits and building suspense until the last act (I.e the boring bit). Running with the film analogy the middle is normally the bit were the people who are bored get up and leave the cinema rather than waiting for the end. Season 4 therefore logically will be the payoff and will (probably/hopefully) return to the standards of story telling seen at the beginning of the show while tieing up all the old plot threads without having to come up with new ones.

Also the last season also means that the writers can give the network the finger and not really care what they thinks cos its the final season and they've already given them the money.

I know this post is going on a bit but I am not convinced that Starbuck is a Cylon, Adama has also seen hallucinations similar to Baltar, Six and Starbuck (his wife in the episode "a day in the life") and as far as I know he is not a Cylon.

There plenty more I'd like to put but its late I'm tired, and also slightly drunk so I cant really remember what this started out as a response to so I'll draw this a close before I start to ramble....

Oh... whoops... sorry!

P.S - new theory: At the end of the series hands up who reckons it will be Adama that is the leader who will die and will not see Earth and it will be Roslin who survives... just to really f*** with everyones heads

JAYNEZTOWN

Saturday, October 27, 2007 10:00 AM

I think the new had the potential to be a very good show, it stated on a high but looking back at the series it really lost the plot and became depressing. I think the old was campy and often ridiculous but it tired to be fun and exciting while the new re-imagined one always had some serious flaws

Take this review
http://movies.ign.com/articles/444/444434p2.html
"The Cylons despise mankind so much that they will settle for nothing less than bombing us out of existence. So, the next generation model of Cylon...what...looks human? They're embracing the template for the very thing they wish to destroy? No matter how desperately the filmmakers try to misdirect us from this fact, it doesn't bring any integrity or – or any baseline points of association – to the proceedings. If anything, the humanizing of the Cylons nearly completely undercuts the story both variants of Galactica are trying to tell."

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