things I wish they hadn't said

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UPDATED: Saturday, April 17, 2004 10:20
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Originally posted by gnoc:

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Originally posted by spikeandjezebel:
Book's "half a hump" line that River overhears in his head is supposed to be jarring and out-of-character. At least, out of the character that WE know as Book. It seems to be something about his mysterious past, and the person he was before Serenity.

What the heck it means, that's anyone's guess!

"I like smackin' 'em!" - Jayne Cobb

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What episode was this? I don't remember it at all.

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Objects in Space




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There are a few quotes from different crew members that just dont feel right to me. For instance, I really wish Mal wouldn't call Inara a whore. It's just too mean.

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I may be mistaken, but I think Mal called Inara a whore only twice in the entire series, the first being when he was introducing her to Book in "Serenity," then in the flashback sequence of their first meeting in "Out of Gas." Why he did so on their first meeting I'm not sure, unless it was because he was annoyed that she supported unification, but in "Serenity" I think it was more to upset Book than her.

There is not anything else said that I didn't like, but there is one particular plot point that I wish Joss had not included. Most of the other guys here will probably think I'm crazy, but I don't think he should have shown the Inara/counselor scene in "War Stories." Girl-girl sex is becoming such a cliched thing these days, and I don't think it added anything to the story. In fact, it's only redeeming virtue was in giving us Jayne's "I'll be in my bunk" line.




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Originally posted by Delia:

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If he ever kills you, you'll be facing him and armed.

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Unless, of course, you're Jayne. Then he'll knock you out and throw you out the airlock. Or at least threaten to.

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Bravo!

Remember, the things the characters say are NOT always the way things really are. Just because Mal claims that he won't kill anyone who's not facing him and armed doesn't mean he won't. It means that he'd like to think that he won't. Or that it suited his purposes to say so at the time. Or that he was trying to one-up Simon. There are a million reasons that lines can be said and 'it's the truth' is only one of them.

After all, Mal also claimed he never backs down from a fight.

(Yes you do! You do all the time!)

In other words, words are cheap - and even the characters can mislead, misunderstand, or be inclined to hyperbole. Their word is not law. Actions are a much better gauge as to canon personalities.

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Originally posted by ecgordon:

There is not anything else said that I didn't like, but there is one particular plot point that I wish Joss had not included. Most of the other guys here will probably think I'm crazy, but I don't think he should have shown the Inara/counselor scene in "War Stories." Girl-girl sex is becoming such a cliched thing these days, and I don't think it added anything to the story. In fact, it's only redeeming virtue was in giving us Jayne's "I'll be in my bunk" line.

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Do we need any other reason???

Actually, it had a bit more purpose in the original script, which had the scene where Inara went to the Counselor for help. Showed what Inara would do for Mal.

"Wacky fun..."

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Originally posted by Aerrin:

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Originally posted by Delia:

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If he ever kills you, you'll be facing him and armed.

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Unless, of course, you're Jayne. Then he'll knock you out and throw you out the airlock. Or at least threaten to.

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Bravo!

Remember, the things the characters say are NOT always the way things really are. Just because Mal claims that he won't kill anyone who's not facing him and armed doesn't mean he won't. It means that he'd like to think that he won't.

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Who's to say that Mal ever had the intention of killing Jayne? I think he did it more to scare him into thinking he would kill him rather than actually carrying out the deed. Another possibility is that he knew someone else on board would overhear them and that would also help keep Jayne in line in the future.




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I may be mistaken, but I think Mal called Inara a whore only twice in the entire series, the first being when he was introducing her to Book in "Serenity," then in the flashback sequence of their first meeting in "Out of Gas." Why he did so on their first meeting I'm not sure, unless it was because he was annoyed that she supported unification, but in "Serenity" I think it was more to upset Book than her.

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I think Mal actually calls Inara a whore other times, too. I'm pretty sure he calls her that in "Shindig" while she's teaching him sword fighting the night before the duel. And I think he also says it in "Trash" when she confronts him about not choosing "real work". I could definitely be mis-remembering though.
Edited to add: I also don't think Mal would actually have killed Jayne. He didn't even kill Patience after she ambushed him and his people. Even though Jayne betrayed them, he wasn't armed or able to defend himself at that moment. I think Mal just wanted to teach Jayne a lesson.

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