things I wish they hadn't said
POSTED BY: meleaux
UPDATED: Saturday, April 17, 2004 10:20
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Originally posted by thoreau:
Mal isn't a southern gentleman. Mal is the opposite of southern gentleman. Mal is honest, to the core. A southern gentleman will be polite and lie through his teeth while talking to an enemy. Mal just shoots him, or tells him what he really thinks.
Sorry, but that's a southern princess, not a southern gentleman. I can understand the confusion though.
A southern gentleman will be polite and tell you in no uncertain terms exactly what he thinks about you. Look at how Mal deals with Badger, Patience, well, pretty much everyone.
The one exception might be in matters of the heart, and that's pretty much Mal too.
On another note, as far as Jayne and "pretentious," I just got the feeling it was a word he heard often from people dealing with Mal, not that he necessarily knew exactly what it meant.
"Wacky fun..."
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Originally posted by zoid:
Southern chivalry is deeply based on Arthurian chivalry.
Of course it is. Is that Jerry Bruckheimer's King Arthur?
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Further half-logical arguments will be ignored. Here's an acceptable URL for chivalry: http://www.astro.umd.edu/~marshall/chivalry.html
Which quotes a Rifts supplement as source material.
"I threw up on your bed"
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Originally posted by Saint Jayne:
Jayne: "Pretentious?" - the source of much debate that Jayne is actually an undercover University professor or something.
Just like to point out that as he says this line, Jayne is very daintily using sugar tongs to dump about 6 or 8 sugar cubes into his fragile china cup of wood alcohol which, iirc, he holds properly by the handle. (Or maybe it was the cup he stole from Mal; I lost track.) Goes with the unexpected line, hand in glove as it were. And very amusing.
Ljosalf
The voyage of discovery is not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes.
Marcel Proust (1871 - 1922)
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SigmaNunki:
I apologize. I wronged you. I would attempt to excuse my incivility by saying -- truthfully -- that it was early morning when I wrote the response. But, that does not excuse the lapse, because there is no excuse for impoliteness. I'm truly sorry.
Misguided by Voices:
I just did a quick search on "chivalry" and picked the first one that appeared to have a suitable list of chivalric virtues. I have no idea who or what 'Rifts' is/are.
More importantly than who sponsors the info, is the info itself. Disregarding outdated notions of Crusade, there are quite a few chivalric virtues that I believe we can readily recognize in Malcolm Reynolds, and that's why I referred the page. These are:
- Thou shalt repect all weaknesses, and shalt constitute thyself the defender of them.
- Thou shalt love the country in the which thou wast born (Shadow).
- Thou shalt not recoil before thine enemy.
- Live one's life so that it is worthy of respect and honor.
- Live for freedom, justice and all that is good.
- Never attack an unarmed foe ("You'll be armed").
- Never attack from behind ("You'll be facing me").
- Never use a weapon on an opponent not equal to the attack (Atherton's failure).
- Avoid lying to your fellow man.
- Avoid deception.
- Avoid cheating.
- Avoid torture.
- Exhibit self control.
- Respect women.
- Exhibit Courage in word and deed.
- Defend the weak and innocent.
- Destroy evil in all of its monstrous forms.
- Crush the monsters that steal our land and rob our people (the fight against the Alliance).
- Fight with honor.
- Avenge the wronged (Defeated the bandits who'd been 'birddogging' the town in OMR).
- Never abandon a friend, ally, or noble cause (Carrying Tracey).
- Die with valor...honor.
- Always keep one's word of honor.
- Always maintain one's principles.
- Never betray a confidence or comrade.
- Respect life and freedom.
- Exhibit manners.
- Be respectful of host, women, and honor (He shoots Dobson, because the agent has a knack for "shooting girls" or taking them hostage, proving he has no honor).
- Loyalty to country (Shadow), King (cause), honor, freedom, and the code of chivalry.
- Loyalty to one's friends and those who lay their trust in thee ("You're on my crew").
Since I'm just going to presume that 'Rifts' is something bad or unsavory, this listing alleviates any need to look upon a webpage that seemed utterly harmless to me (i.e. no apparent political or religious hogwash). These are the items I was talking about.
As a boy, I was taught these behaviors -- never spelled out or listed -- by my father, under pain of whuppin' if I stepped out of line. That's was the Southern way of my youth. One not listed is "Be respectful of, and mind your elders".
It may seem quaint or trite to some, but a Southern boy, of my age, was taught the Code.
Respectfully,
zoid
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"River didn't fix faith. Faith fixed River."
- Senator Richard 'Book' Wilkins, Independent Congress
author of A Child Shall Lead Them: A History of the Second War of Independence
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Okay, so now I know what Rifts is.
Then try this one. I reckon it's adult and literate enough. http://www.bartleby.com/65/ch/chivalry.html
An excerpt:
"The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001.
(shv´lr) (KEY) , system of ethical ideals that arose from feudalism and had its highest development in the 12th and 13th cent. 1
Chivalric ethics originated chiefly in France and Spain and spread rapidly to the rest of the Continent and to England. They represented a fusion of Christian and military concepts of morality and still form the basis of gentlemanly conduct (emphasis mine)... The chief chivalric virtues were piety, honor, valor, courtesy, chastity, and loyalty..."
Hope this is more acceptable. I also found a site that credited Leon Gautier, "The Decalogue" for the entry from Rifts, derogated above...
Respectfully,
zoid
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"River didn't fix faith. Faith fixed River."
- Senator Richard 'Book' Wilkins, Independent Congress
author of A Child Shall Lead Them: A History of the Second War of Independence
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If he ever kills you, you'll be facing him and armed.
Unless, of course, you're Jayne. Then he'll knock you out and throw you out the airlock. Or at least threaten to.
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Originally posted by zoid:
SigmaNunki:
I apologize. I wronged you. I would attempt to excuse my incivility by saying -- truthfully -- that it was early morning when I wrote the response. But, that does not excuse the lapse, because there is no excuse for impoliteness. I'm truly sorry.
No worries, it happens to the best of us. I know I've done it from time to time
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Originally posted by zoid:
I just did a quick search on "chivalry"...
I'm not saying that he doesn't live by some code or even that the code doesn't resemble some sort of chivalry in some way.
But, there are things in that list that Mal follows and those that he doesn't. That is where I say his code - whatever it was originally - got mangled by the events of his life and turned into whatever it is now. Which technically isn't _exactly_ chivalry. I'll reference my paraphrases above.
Let's just agree that he does have a code, but, admit that we don't agree where it necessarily begins or ends. Alot of that list is applicable, though.
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"If you truly love the memory, you must set it free()!" -Me
"Also, I can kill you with my brain." -River
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Originally posted by Static:
Okay. .
The SECOND time Mal decked Simon it was because Simon pushed him verbally. . . To that point, Mal actually HAD behaved like someone who would do what the Alliance wanted, offering to dump him in a shuttle for the feds, asking if there was a reward for him, etc. etc. Maybe a sucker punch, but like I said. . .southern gentility isn't all verandas and mint juleps.
On the DVD commentary Joss says it was a sucker punch.
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I feel like horning in with my historian-ness here. When I think southern culture, the first thing that pops into my mind isn't Mint Juleps and such. I think more about the southern fighthing tradition. It was this massive bareknuckle boxing tradition that went on for over a century. If you wanted to be respected in those circles as practiced it, you'd need scars, and reall honest-to-god skill. anything went in these circles, biting, gouging. Mal isn't a gentleman, he's a scrapper.
once the snow got so deep you almost couldn't hear margaret atwood
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Originally posted by spikeandjezebel:
Book's "half a hump" line that River overhears in his head is supposed to be jarring and out-of-character. At least, out of the character that WE know as Book. It seems to be something about his mysterious past, and the person he was before Serenity.
What the heck it means, that's anyone's guess!
"I like smackin' 'em!" - Jayne Cobb
What episode was this? I don't remember it at all.
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