Question: Was Elektra REALLY that bad, IYO?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:53
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Milford, I don't know if you'll see this, but there was something quietly mezmerizing about Elektra to me. The imagery was lush, and while the climax wasn't an explosive doozy, it was a good end IMO.
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Yes. It achieved a degree of stank that few movies have ever dare to go.
What was the point anyway? I still haven't figure out what the hell was going on. So Elektra who was actually Daredevil's love interest comes back to life, and instead of going to find the man that she supposedly loves, decides that she'll become an assassin for hire. And I’m supposed to give a shit about this broad, because she changed her mind about killing her target? So the hell what? Throw her ass on Death Row with all the other assassin’s for hire. Now then there are the bad guys, whose point is...what? And some old blind bat is the good guy, whose point is...what? Then there is some little kid who happens to be the real heroine who’s going to save the world, only she’s not – she’s just some bratty kid. Stupid doesn’t even begin describing this movie.
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Quote:You didn't like it?
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Yes. It achieved a degree of stank that few movies have ever dare to go.
Quote:She liked him, but LOVE? Matt was certainly head over heels, but Elektra wasn't there IMO. And like Buffy, she came back different. Bent.
So Elektra who was actually Daredevil's love interest comes back to life, and instead of going to find the man that she supposedly loves, decides that she'll become an assassin for hire.
Quote:She killed killers within the bad guy's world. In-house, so to speak. That's their business. She changed her mind because they changed the kind of mark she was used to, and that woke up the good in her, her new violent life had not taken it from her fully.........
And I’m supposed to give a shit about this broad, because she changed her mind about killing her target?
Quote:You obviously have a concrete view of this most abstract film; I find it a visual marvel, and a nice character study enhanced by a first-rate star...no masterpiece by any stretch, but fun if ya take it that way, much like Fantastic Four.
Now then there are the bad guys, whose point is...what? And some old blind bat is the good guy, whose point is...what? Then there is some little kid who happens to be the real heroine who’s going to save the world, only she’s not – she’s just some bratty kid. Stupid doesn’t even begin describing this movie.
Your milage apparently varied
Not so judgemental Chrisisall
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Quote:Sounds like you’re projecting. What I remember from the movie was that she killed people the bad guys wanted dead.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
She killed killers within the bad guy's world. In-house, so to speak. That's their business.
Quote:I think you’ve been duped. There was nothing fun about Elektra. Its two hours of life I’ll never get back. And Fantastic Four isn’t even comparable to Elektra. If for no other reason, then that it had a discernable plot and characters worth caring about.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
You obviously have a concrete view of this most abstract film; I find it a visual marvel, and a nice character study enhanced by a first-rate star...no masterpiece by any stretch, but fun if ya take it that way, much like Fantastic Four.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
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Quote:Which were, um, other bad guys- the competition...I just saw this last night, it's pretty fresh in my memory
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Sounds like you’re projecting. What I remember from the movie was that she killed people the bad guys wanted dead.
.Quote:It was 99 minutes of cool fight scenes and beautiful photography at the very least. Yeah, FF was miles above it in the conventional narrative sense, I'm just sayin' Elektra was no 'Cat Woman', that was BORING, the ultimate cinematic action-flick sin. E had SOMETHING going for it, appreciated by some, and not by others is all.
I think you’ve been duped. There was nothing fun about Elektra. Its two hours of life I’ll never get back. And Fantastic Four isn’t even comparable to Elektra. If for no other reason, then that it had a discernable plot and characters worth caring about.
I'm happy I got it Chrisisall
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Quote:It didn’t work. At no point in that movie was I ever even remotely concerned if she lived or died.
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Which were, um, other bad guys- the competition...I just saw this last night, it's pretty fresh in my memory
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Sounds like you’re projecting. What I remember from the movie was that she killed people the bad guys wanted dead.
The Professional was a movie about an assassin. He only killed “the competition” too, but that movie didn't tried to insult my intelligence by pawning him off as some kind of righteous good guy. Yet, I cared about him, because the movie portrayed him honestly as an assassin and as a human being. He didn’t get out of that movie alive though; he died in the act of saving a little girl he had grown to love. He was heroic, because in the end, he became a good guy in a single desperate act of humanity.
Garner’s performance in Elektra stank, and her character was written so that I hated her. It was a monumentally stupid movie. What was her act of retribution? What made her Heroic? Nothing. So she decided not to kill a child. Wow! Let’s give her the Nobel Peace Prize. She only kills adults that the bad guys don’t like. You could say the same thing about every hitman for the Mafia when they knock off police officers who won’t go on the take or jurors who won’t acquit. In the end though, Elektra saves the life of a child who supposedly will save the world. The fate of good in the world rests on a decision of some assassin who decides not to murder a child? That’s a pretty bleak statement, but it’s one that has potential to work. It’s essentially the same theme used in the Professional, but more effectively. The problem is that in Elektra it just doesn’t work. There is far too much that is confused and poorly presented. It had the potential to be a great story, but the way it was told ruined any hope of that.
Quote:Some of the fight scenes were good. I never saw Cat Woman. I dodged that bullet, somehow.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
It was 99 minutes of cool fight scenes and beautiful photography at the very least. Yeah, FF was miles above it in the conventional narrative sense, I'm just sayin' Elektra was no 'Cat Woman', that was BORING, the ultimate cinematic action-flick sin. E had SOMETHING going for it, appreciated by some, and not by others is all.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:It was better than 13 Going On 30...
Originally posted by jwhedonaddict:
It was a waste of Jennifer Garner's talents, IMO.
Oh, you're hardly evil, Chris. Quirky, maybe, but not evil...and I'll grant you that 13 Going on 30 wasn't gonna sweep the Oscars either, but it genuinely did make me laugh. I thought it was cute. I thought I liked it enough to see it again, so I bought it when the price went down.
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Quote:Everything in your post was valid, from a certain point of view. But I'm a fan of the comic upon which DD and Elektra are based, so I'm willing to cut them way more slack than you are just to see them brought to life. Sort of like Firestarter...not a GREAT movie, but again, I'm a fan of the book, so....
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
It didn’t work. At no point in that movie was I ever even remotely concerned if she lived or died.
The Professional was a movie about an assassin. He only killed “the competition” too, but that movie didn't tried to insult my intelligence by pawning him off as some kind of righteous good guy.
But I've noticed a pattern with ya dude, it seems 'heroic' is synonymous with sacrifice for you...you liked The Gift better than Chosen for this very reason- a hero has to experience extreme loss, or death to BE a hero it seems...you must have really liked X-Men 3, heh heh!
Quote:Rent Catwoman, Finn, and then appreciate Elektra for the comparative genius that it is
I never saw Cat Woman. I dodged that bullet, somehow.
.Chrisisall, liker of sucky flicks
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I'm just sayin' Elektra was no 'Cat Woman', that was BORING
At least Catwoman had an actual plot.And what's wrong with Catwoman?!!
Yes, Elektra had some really cool photography, but there was no point what-so-ever. I agree it was beautiful, but it was hard to watch as it didn't have a solid sequence of events.
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
What was the point anyway? I still haven't figure out what the hell was going on. So Elektra who was actually Daredevil's love interest comes back to life, and instead of going to find the man that she supposedly loves, decides that she'll become an assassin for hire.
Well, it was Matt that was head-over-heels, I don't think Elektra was. But she still liked him, there was a scene about that somewhere. That would make sense if she had to hide the fact she came back to life, but I don't think that was said anywhere in the movie.
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Now then there are the bad guys, whose point is...what? And some old blind bat is the good guy, whose point is...what? Then there is some little kid who happens to be the real heroine who’s going to save the world, only she’s not – she’s just some bratty kid. Stupid doesn’t even begin describing this movie.
I agree absolutely. And how the super-powers seem to fade depending on who wins is off, too.
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