things I wish they hadn't said
POSTED BY: meleaux
UPDATED: Saturday, April 17, 2004 10:20
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Originally posted by zoid:
...Some apparently have no idea what a code of honor is, or else their's is too different from ours to comprehend...
...Sigmund'sUnkie.
...do word search on internet for definition)...
..."Head the trolls off at the pass"...
...Now maybe you could do me a favor? Please look up 'chivalry' before making any counterarguments....
...Respectfully
I don't see any respectfully here. When did this turn in to something malicious? If you reply to me in the future I would appreciate a civil tone. After all, as I have stated in another thread before, we are all browncoats. And if we cannot remain civil then we have just taken one step closer to realizing Reavers.
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Originally posted by zoid:
...by prefacing Mal's chivalry with his disregard for laws written by other people, many of which are designed solely to deprive a person of freedoms his chivalric code guarantee.
I'll reference again Inara in JaynesTown talking about Mal's strange sense of honour and the fact that he (as Nathan Fillion put it) was hollowed out in side. So, then perhaps if indeed he did have this type of code at one point, would it not make sense that it was somehow mangled by the crushing moment we saw him take in Serenity Valley?
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"If you truly love the memory, you must set it free()!" -Me
"Also, I can kill you with my brain." -River
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I don't have anything to say on the "whore" issue at the moment, but I DO have my own most hated line.
In "the Message", Simon's making a rather pathetic attempt at sweettalking Kaylee, and he uses what in my opinion is the worse line in the history of flirtation, and I'm including "If I said you have a beautiful body would you hold it against me?" here. It was something along the lines of "And all the other girls I know are either married, a relative or a professional" Everytime I hear that, I wonder how Simon managed to get through life intact. I cringe, I cry, I beat my head against walls.
once the snow got so deep you almost couldn't hear margaret atwood
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Originally posted by Saint Jayne:
Well said, GeordieSteve2003.
Jayne: "Pretentious?" - the source of much debate that Jayne is actually an undercover University professor or something.
That's all I can think of now.
Actually. . .I see alot of that in real life. . .you get someone like Jayne who hasn't had alot of education and isn't particularly 'well rounded' who learns/picks up a little tidbit like a particularly flowery word. . .gets a BASIC handle on the meaning. . .and then manages to find the occasional opportunity to insert it into conversation. Mal's look when Jayne says the word is something of a "boy you've been waiting MONTHS to use that, haven't you?"
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Mal isn't a southern gentleman. Mal is the opposite of southern gentleman. Mal is honest, to the core. A southern gentleman will be polite and lie through his teeth while talking to an enemy. Mal just shoots him, or tells him what he really thinks. Mal may love Inara, but he is disgusted that she is a whore. Not necessarily with the whore business, but that she is one.
Book's line that River pulled out of his(her?) head was perfect. Book isn't a shepherd, as a few guest stars have said/indicated. He has some scary past, and that is a teaser into it.
The one thing that sticks out in my head was the beginning of War Stories, where Book is talking about Shan Yu(sp?) and immediately we go to Niska talking about the same guy. That's way too close to have two people not hearing each other talking about this guy we've never heard of and (so far) will never hear of again. If it had been in two consecutive episodes that would have been enough, but in the same act like that was just cheap. I expect better from ME.
Another thing, not a line but an action, the first time Mal punches Simon, I think the only time so far. Mal starts to turn and sucker-punches him. That may be in character for Mal to do against a worthy opponent where he may need a bit of surprise, but this pansy doctor is no worthy opponent. Mal should have been facing him from the punch's beginning to its end.
Jayne: "These are stone killers, little man. They ain't cuddly like me."
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Originally posted by thefop:
In "the Message", Simon's making a rather pathetic attempt at sweettalking Kaylee, and he uses what in my opinion is the worse line in the history of flirtation, and I'm including "If I said you have a beautiful body would you hold it against me?" here. It was something along the lines of "And all the other girls I know are either married, a relative or a professional" Everytime I hear that, I wonder how Simon managed to get through life intact. I cringe, I cry, I beat my head against walls.
Simon really is that much of a fool. He's smart, he can patch you up no matter how badly you've been punctured, but he's a fool. A selfish, arrogant fool. For him to come up with a line like that is perfect.
Jayne: "These are stone killers, little man. They ain't cuddly like me."
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Okay. .
The FIRST time Mal punches Simon, Simon DID come fully around and actually paused. Mal stood there for a second, asked, "Forget your toothpaste?" and then clocked his pansy ass. Not a sucker punch.
The SECOND time Mal decked Simon it was because Simon pushed him verbally. . .goading him about the Alliance. Mal lashed out. Jayne "saw that comin'" because he knows how Mal feels about the Alliance. Simon, of course, knowing nothing of Mal or his personal history had no idea that his comment would incense Mal to that point. To that point, Mal actually HAD behaved like someone who would do what the Alliance wanted, offering to dump him in a shuttle for the feds, asking if there was a reward for him, etc. etc. Maybe a sucker punch, but like I said. . .southern gentility isn't all verandas and mint juleps.
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oh yeah, forgot the first one.
well we can agree to disagree about the 2nd one, and about the idea of Mal as a southern gent.
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Jayne: "These are stone killers, little man. They ain't cuddly like me."
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Simon really is that much of a fool. He's smart, he can patch you up no matter how badly you've been punctured, but he's a fool. A selfish, arrogant fool. For him to come up with a line like that is perfect.
Jayne: "These are stone killers, little man. They ain't cuddly like me."
See, I think Simon actually cares about Kaylee, and certainly about River. Even though I always cringe when he says that line, I think it represents his social ineptness rather well.
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I agree that Simon cares about Kaylee, I think he even respects her abilities...
but that is still a long way from thinking she is an equal.
He knows that the society in which he grew up would totally reject an uncooth uneducated girl like Kaylee.
Simon is starting to grow and open his mind & heart, but I think somewhere inside he is still hoping to return to his 'real life' where he'll be a respected Doctor living in high society with a wife who is from a good family.
And I agree about the sucker punch...Mal says he'll shoot you in a fair fight face to face, but he will also throw you into a jet engine, kill your horse, or whatever else it takes to protect his ship and crew.
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Originally posted by thoreau:
Book's line that River pulled out of his(her?) head was perfect. Book isn't a shepherd, as a few guest stars have said/indicated. He has some scary past, and that is a teaser into it.
The one thing that sticks out in my head was the beginning of War Stories, where Book is talking about Shan Yu(sp?) and immediately we go to Niska talking about the same guy. That's way too close to have two people not hearing each other talking about this guy we've never heard of and (so far) will never hear of again. If it had been in two consecutive episodes that would have been enough, but in the same act like that was just cheap. I expect better from ME.
See, and I view the juxtiposition of Book and Niska both referancing Shan Yu as another clue on Book's past. To me, it's like Joss is dropping a tiny clue that Book and Niska have some things in common. It acts as a reinforcement to Book knowing the name in "The Train Job". Which was the first thing Book said that Jayne picks up as being out of character for a Preacher.
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