OT: Warner Bros. no longer making movies with female leads

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UPDATED: Monday, October 8, 2007 18:29
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JWHEDONADDICT

Sunday, October 7, 2007 5:12 PM

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=131948

You've got to be kidding me.

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For Joss!

CYBERSNARK

Monday, October 8, 2007 1:17 AM

I keep thinking studios can't get any stupider. . .

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SIMONWHO

Monday, October 8, 2007 2:40 PM

Perhaps that was where Joss and WB parted ways over the Wonder Woman script:

"Mr Whedon, we love what you've done but could you make just one more tweak?"
"What?"
"Can the lead character not be a woman?"

DARKFLY

Monday, October 8, 2007 3:25 PM

No Offence but their haven't been many profitable films that have made money with female leads, The Resident Trilogy, Alien Quadrilogy, Kill Bill Volume, and Tomb Raider series, but two of them are Game Adaptions but neither are particularly good.

Again not trying to cause offence but since Men and Women tend to be seen as two different types, big and strong(Men), pretty and 2nd place(Women). So in a way Men can't watch movies with action female leads plus most of the time its their stunt double and its somebody like Charlie Theron or some A list star who don't have a clue how to fight and look ridiculous doing action movies, audiences won't stand to watch that kinda of crap. Not saying Women can't do other types of films just not action not unless your Summer Glau(at least she can do 99% of her stunts and is very flexible, pretty too).

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GODDESSWARRIOR89

Monday, October 8, 2007 4:14 PM

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Originally posted by Darkfly:
No Offence but their haven't been many profitable films that have made money with female leads, The Resident Trilogy, Alien Quadrilogy, Kill Bill Volume, and Tomb Raider series, but two of them are Game Adaptions but neither are particularly good.

Again not trying to cause offence but since Men and Women tend to be seen as two different types, big and strong(Men), pretty and 2nd place(Women). So in a way Men can't watch movies with action female leads plus most of the time its their stunt double and its somebody like Charlie Theron or some A list star who don't have a clue how to fight and look ridiculous doing action movies, audiences won't stand to watch that kinda of crap. Not saying Women can't do other types of films just not action not unless your Summer Glau(at least she can do 99% of her stunts and is very flexible, pretty too).

okay I know you said no offense and I mean this with the nicest regards possible... coming from an actress I can tell you that it's very frusterating to see this kind of mentality. Just because I'm a woman doesn't mean that I have to stick to froofroo movies where I am always rescued by the guys. Yes I agree that some people just look ridiculous trying to fight but half the time that's when the studio/director doesn't want to endanger the star or the star just has too big of a head to do their own dirty work. I personally would LOVE to be in an action film but only on the condition that I get to do my own stunts...

So please... just because someone's a girl doesn't mean that they automatically will look ridiculous in an action movie. I mean I've seen TONS of movies with guys who don't know how to take a punch let alone give one.

Oh and look outside movies at TV shows... Alias ran for years with a strong female lead, same with Buffy and many others. How can there be shows/movies with a strong female lead if no one gives women that opportunity in the first place.

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DARKFLY

Monday, October 8, 2007 4:35 PM

I said there are the few female action movies like Kill Bill, Planet Terror(brillint) and Resident Evil which not only have great actress's but they look the part and have decent enough story's. And their are probably more TV Shows(Buffy, Alias, etc) that have are better with female heroins and more successful.

What I meant by actress's not doing the stunts,

1st some of the times they don't look the part to do it(ton of makeup,etc) but I did say some of the time not all which just takes credibility out of the film,

2nd sometimes they can't even do simplest of stunts,

3rdly they are just plain lazy. Even Summer Glau didn't do 100% of stunts cause some where dangerous(really).

And most of the time its due to the rubbish storyline which lets down the movie not necessarily the actress's fault like when they give them skimpy outfits or throw in some sex which pulls down the creditablity of the film.

But since Movies have become so stereotypical it you just can't avoid most of these things apart from Kill Bill obviously, its life and personally I would love to see more Female Action Movies but when you see Movie Posters you wanna see Termianator 3 over Aeon Flux just cause Arnie looks so cool with a gun where as you can tell by the poster Aeon Flux is just another flic with some hot lady in some attractive outfit, you know which one you would enjoy=Terminator but in Aoen Flux you gonna see a hot lady, but your always gonna choose Terminator. You do get the occasional film with a women which is cool like Planet Terror but even that flunked at the Box Office

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DATALESS

Monday, October 8, 2007 4:38 PM

I went through the list of movies WB has put out over the last few years and the ones with women as either the lead or title character (I discount movies like "The Island" because it is both Ewan McGregor's and Scarlett Johansson's movie. but I won't discount "Must Love Dogs" even though it could be either Diane Lane or John Cusack's film.) So here is the list of films centered on women as the lead character in the last few years. The WB doesn't seem to make female centric action movies.

No Reservations (doubled the estimated cost)
Nancy Drew
The Reaping (Hillary Swank movie)
Lady in the Water (did half the estimated cost)
Rumor Has It...
Must Love Dogs
The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants (did a bit better then budget)
House of Wax (barely beat the budget 2 mill. more)
Miss Congeniality 2 (3 mill more than budget)

These movies start pretty recent and go back to the start of 2005. I doubt too many of them made a lot of money but I think most made enough to justify the cost of making them. If I could make 2 or 3 million for a few weeks or months work I do it on a hear beat but I think the WB feels that investing the kind of money 30 to 100 million dollars in a film it might not be worth it for them. I think most of these films are pretty bad though if they could get better writers and directors they might have a chance at making better movies.

SMAUG

Monday, October 8, 2007 4:40 PM

Actually... in a way.. I kind of agree with them.

Now before anyone jumps down my throat.. let me try to explain a little.

I really don't like seeing a woman... bascially being a man. At least not as the main character of a movie.

I like male characters to be flawed.. and I like female characters to be vulnerable. That doesn't mean that a female character can't be strong (even physically like River or Zoe).. but I really think that a woman's strengh lies elsewhere.

Take Segorny Weaver in Aliens.. I loved her character. She was VERY strong.. but not in a physical way. She was terrified.. scared... vulnerable.. but she did what she had to.. at first just to survive.. and then later to protect a child. She was a strong female lead.. but the key word there is "Female".. she wasn't a female being a "male". So she was strong in a femine way.. yet vulnerable at the same time. Now the character Vasquese (the tough female marine in Aliens) was an ok character.. she was basically a "man".. but I could accept her because she was NOT the main character... I wouldn't want to see a movie about her. Just like if there was going to be a spin-off of Firefly... Zoe would be the last character I would choose to wrap a show around.

I mean.. all the women of Firefly are great examples of "strong" women.. but with the exception of Zoe.. their strengh comes from their femanine side.. I think Joss made Zoe a woman just to flip the "cliche" around of "male captains". The same way he gave "Jayne" a girls name.. just playing with cliches. But what I love about Zoe is that she is married and in love with the "geek" of the crew..

So basically.. if you have the main character being a female and you could switch her with a male character and the movie would be exactly the same... then something is wrong in my book. That's the problem with a movie like Tomb Raider.. switch Anjolina Jolie with a male actor (and reverse the sex of the love interest of course) and you end up with the same movie... basiclly a high tech indiana jones... minus the eye candy.

Again this is all my opinion.. but what's needed to fix this.. is the main female lead simply needs to be "female".. drawing upon a woman's strenght.. and having her have vulnerablities.. not turning her into a man.

I don't want to see that... and that's why movies like Electra, catwoman, etc. tanked.. Actually write the part for a woman in stead of a woman playing a man.. and you might actually have a movie.

That's why I am glad that Joss isn't doing WW.. if anyone could pull it off.. it would be Joss.. but I think the whole thing would have been a trap.. and probably tanked also (no matter even if it WAS great).. better for him to not even go there..

Smaug..

CYBERSNARK

Monday, October 8, 2007 4:44 PM

Wait, I just thought of something revolutionary.

These bad movies with female leads. . . Could it be possible that they're losing money because they're bad movies, and not because of the female leads?

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DARKFLY

Monday, October 8, 2007 4:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Wait, I just thought of something revolutionary.

These bad movies with female leads. . . Could it be possible that they're losing money because they're bad movies, and not because of the female leads?

If you read my second post you would have seen me say...
"And most of the time its due to the rubbish storyline which lets down the movie not necessarily the actress's fault like when they give them skimpy outfits or throw in some sex which pulls down the creditablity of the film. "

And Please Warner Bros since you own the rights to Batman please remake Catwoman but with Michelle Pfeiffer from Batman Returns

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