How about a new fansite?

POSTED BY: Haken
UPDATED: Sunday, October 28, 2007 13:46
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SIGMANUNKI

Sunday, October 7, 2007 1:59 AM

Thread paging. Not only would this be not terribly difficult to implement, it'd save you a fair chunk of bandwidth costs and as such increase responsiveness of the site.

Implement a search. I did one a while back while was just a couple lines of HTML. But, even though response was... good, you still didn't do the copy paste. I handed it over to the News of the 'Verse people because experience told me that you wouldn't even respond to the request never-mind do it.

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There is at least one critical security problem on this site you really really need to address. I've mentioned it elsewhere as well, but again no response. If you want problem and a solution, let me know.
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Fix the bugs that you have yet to address. I've sent a couple bug reports since I signed on here and not a peep from you. Hell, as far as I know, the comments on blogs still can't have 's, etc in them because what is shown is the raw img tag. What this says to me is that it's different code to generate the same content (bad programmer, bad ).

On the info page you say, "If you're interested in becoming a part of our team. Let me know." Yet, when I (and everyone else that's posted on this issue) has sent an offer, again, not a peep. If you're interested in getting help, respond. If you're not, then take that bit down. I would not (nor others I imagine) have a problem with a "no thanks", but silence is rather rude.

I'd also suggest using technologies that volunteers are more likely to know, and are actually stable such as PHP, Perl, Python, Apache, lighttpd, MySQL, PostgreSQL, etc and unlike IIS, Access, etc. Btw, all the former runs on Windows as well. But again, Windows isn't exactly a low overhead OS not to mention rather insecure.

When I still had hope that you meant what you said about wanting help, and noticing the instability and performance problems here, I did think up a couple different ways to build a new back-end for the site. They are not of the "all or nothing" kind. Each one can be partially implemented and there is at least one idea that I hope that you'd consider.

But, I'm not going to spend my time posting it if you're not interested. If you are interested PM me and I'll post it. I say PM me, because I've turned off notifications when someone responds to me.

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FOLLOWMAL

Sunday, October 7, 2007 2:50 AM

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Originally posted by 11thHour:
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Originally posted by FollowMal:
Does this new fansite replace FFF.net, incorporate FFF.net or is it in addition to FFF.net?

Ah, this is the question that cuts to the nub of the jist. To the heart of the matter, as it were.

This question has already been asked and answered by Haken upthread:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=5&t=30835#545864

This thread concerns a new, additional, fansite, and not a replacement. FFF.net lives on...

11th Hour

Thank you 11th Hour. I think I didn't read Haken's answer to you closely enough. I appreciate the clarification.

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THATWEIRDGIRL

Sunday, October 7, 2007 5:05 AM

I'm interested.

It seems most of my nit-picks have been mentioned, but I'll think on it some more and see what I can come up with .

Oh! One I haven't seen much mention of is the need for more defined forums. Lots of us have started threads in the wrong area and bogged down that forum's readers. Failing this, more active moderators would be great. I know who they are and I know they're around, but most members don't know who to turn to when there's a conflict or misplaced post.

I think this is a great idea, Haken.

(I use Sigma's search)

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HAKEN

Sunday, October 7, 2007 8:39 AM

Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Thread paging. Not only would this be not terribly difficult to implement, it'd save you a fair chunk of bandwidth costs and as such increase responsiveness of the site.

You're right. It's not that difficult. It's just a matter of finding the time and the urge to touch the ASP code again.

Implement a search.

I promise, I'll make the time to implement the Google Search.

There is at least one critical security problem on this site you really really need to address. I've mentioned it elsewhere as well, but again no response. If you want problem and a solution, let me know.

There's actually quite a few. Again, need to find time to work on it.

Fix the bugs that you have yet to address. I've sent a couple bug reports since I signed on here and not a peep from you. Hell, as far as I know, the comments on blogs still can't have 's, etc in them because what is shown is the raw img tag. What this says to me is that it's different code to generate the same content (bad programmer, bad ).

Ah, fixing the bugs. Here's my dilemma. Do I spend time patching old code for an old language or should I write new code in a current language? FFF.NET was built with MS ASP. I haven't written a single line of ASP code since .NET came out. All I program in now is C# and JavaScript for the AJAX stuff. FFF.NET 2.0 in .NET was on the drawing board for a long time, but in the end I just didn't have the time to work on it.

on the info page you say, "If you're interested in becoming a part of our team. Let me know." Yet, when I (and everyone else that's posted on this issue) has sent an offer, again, not a peep. If you're interested in getting help, respond. If you're not, then take that bit down. I would not (nor others I imagine) have a problem with a "no thanks", but silence is rather rude.

I apologize. I was not my intention ignore any of the offers. The "haken" mailbox is constantly being bombarded by loads of spam. A great many legitimate emails gets buried all the time in the my junk mail folder without me ever seeing them. I have responded in the past and there are mods on the site as well as a couple of other people that handles things on the back end when problem occurs. As you may have noticed, I'm not on here as often as I should, so these mods keep the site running smoothly.

I'd also suggest using technologies that volunteers are more likely to know, and are actually stable such as PHP, Perl, Python, Apache, lighttpd, MySQL, PostgreSQL, etc and unlike IIS, Access, etc. Btw, all the former runs on Windows as well. But again, Windows isn't exactly a low overhead OS not to mention rather insecure.

FFF.NET could have been built on LAMP, but since I had access to a MS-SQL server and it was superior to MySQL at the time, I just sort of went the M$ way.

When I still had hope that you meant what you said about wanting help, and noticing the instability and performance problems here, I did think up a couple different ways to build a new back-end for the site. They are not of the "all or nothing" kind. Each one can be partially implemented and there is at least one idea that I hope that you'd consider.

But, I'm not going to spend my time posting it if you're not interested. If you are interested PM me and I'll post it. I say PM me, because I've turned off notifications when someone responds to me.

It's not that I'm not interested. I always like talking shop whenever I have the time, but whenever this stuff comes with FFF.NET, I always ask myself whether it's worth the effort to keep writing new code in a language that's no longer being used for development. Not to mention for a website that lost its reason for being in existence in the first place--Firefly. Therefore, answer always come up "maybe, but not right now."

FFF.NET was built in a relatively short period of time from scratch. It's buggy, it's quirky in places, but it runs. So well, in fac

DESKTOPHIPPIE

Sunday, October 7, 2007 9:13 AM

Hey, any site that lets me yap on about Buffy, Angel, Heroes, Comics etc along with my Firefly obsession is fine by me

Best of luck developing the new site.

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MISSTRESSAHARA

Monday, October 8, 2007 1:44 AM

So, as I understand this correctly, this new site will be a template in which FFF.net will eventually, slowly, be integrated into? Or that is it will eventually replace FFF.net, but slowly as you add things from this site onto the new one and eventually getting rid of FFF.net altogether, since everything here will be there? Or am I getting my signals crossed?

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FIREFLYPASSENGER

Monday, October 8, 2007 2:38 AM

ETA: I have now read the whole thread. Great idea.

This one works great and we love it.

Being able to search for threads or art or fic would be great.

Otherwise I love it as is. Thank you Haken for all your hard work.

Now if you are talking in general as a fan site for some other fans then communication is key.

FIREFLYPASSENGER

Monday, October 8, 2007 5:40 AM

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Perhaps the goal then is to build a site that's for the community rather than a series. Series come and series go, but the community remains. A fansite for fans rather than a fansite for a series.

What do you think?

Ooooo that is a very shiny idea. You are so smart, good thinking. I love Torchwood btw.

FIREFLYPASSENGER

Monday, October 8, 2007 5:44 AM

Ooooo perfect. Great name.

HAKEN

Monday, October 8, 2007 7:41 AM

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Originally posted by Misstressahara:
So, as I understand this correctly, this new site will be a template in which FFF.net will eventually, slowly, be integrated into? Or that is it will eventually replace FFF.net, but slowly as you add things from this site onto the new one and eventually getting rid of FFF.net altogether, since everything here will be there? Or am I getting my signals crossed?

Not exactly. FFF.NET and ShinyUniverse will remain separate entities. However, ShinyUniverse will have access to FFF.NET BSR's contents.

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