The Return of Jubal Early
POSTED BY: ecgordon
UPDATED: Saturday, April 10, 2004 04:47
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"You're right - it's about control, and I really do shudder to think of the kind of damage that hundan might have done to our little Kaylee."
Yes, it is control that Jubal sought and in a scary way but I don't necessarily conclude that River would have automatically accepted the scary threat is equal to scary torture, pain and death. I believe she saw Jubal as a dangerous broken human, like herself. My feeling here is that she sought a non-lethal way to negate the danger if only to prove to herself that she wasn't the killer the others had started to think she might be.
If Jubal shows up in the future we will know that it was a conscious decision
River made to let him live. Even if Jubal remotely saved himself River would have probably known it would happen and could have prevented it.
Like I said before this is all speculative.. The fact that Jubal was such a great villian makes him ripe to return in my mind.. but I don't expect him to return the same man.. Probably still insane though. :O)
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Good vs Evil? You mean like GvsE Good vs Evil? With the morlocks and the corps and stuff? Where/when/how did you watch a couple episodes. I'm pretty sure it's not on TV anymore and I know that there's no DVD set (at least no offical one anyway).
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Just a quick thought:
As I stated earlier (no pun intended), I enjoyed Jubal, and implied that I thought him second only to Saffron among the antagonists the show presented.
My little epiphany: Both Jubal and Saffron use sex as a weapon, to control others.
Probably just coincidental, but interesting, no?
While we're at it, the sh*thead from HoG (can't recall his name, and glad he took one in the brainpan) and Atherton Wing of "Shindig" both do likewise...
With regard to Joss' use of the name "Jubal Early", I didn't intend to imply that JW necessarily had an ulterior motive, merely that I recognized the name from American history, as a Civil War figure, and that Firefly's story was heavily influenced by Civil War lore. How JW would go about tying the character and the figure together is totally beyond me, so it's probably just an affectation.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar; but then again...
Respectfully,
zoid
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"River didn't fix faith. Faith fixed River."
- Senator Richard 'Book' Wilkins, Independent Congress
author of A Child Shall Lead Them: A History of the Second War of Independence
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Originally posted by jgsugden:
Early would have been back. Listen to the DVD commentary by Joss. Let me translate it for you.
Did you mean the DVD commentary for OiS? If so, that is one heck of a "translation." There is nothing in there like that to my mind. In fact, this quote almost seems the exact opposite of that.
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Kaylee is someone that he approaches a different way, through a really horrible form of sexual intimidation. This is one of those scenes that y'know...you write and then you worry that maybe you're not as good a person as you hoped you were. You film this scene and everybody kinda wants to avoid you for the rest of the day. It really is just as creepy as possible.
And as far as there being some plan for a return to this character, well, he also says this...
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The other thing is that, uhm...that there is no moral. That like an object in space this episode exists -- it has an emotional arc, it's a story to be told, I'm not gonna sit there and lecture the audience although I am right now, but, hey, you listened, it's not my fault! -- but that it itself is also just an object.
So really, right now, we are doing exactly what Joss talks about in the commentary. We are imbueing the object, this episode, with its meaning by our own perceptions of it. And since perception is individualistic, the episode has different meanings to each of us.
Kinda deep, ain't it?
"Wacky fun..."
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I loved the fact that Early became another object in space.
Jgsugden: That 'translation' of Joss's commentary is um... real different from what I recall, as BlazingBug has already pointed out. Unless it was meant to be a joke? *shrug*
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