Heroes 2.0 [SPOILERS]
POSTED BY: deepgirl187
UPDATED: Thursday, October 25, 2007 12:38
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
And there are a lot of things I miss on the first go-round – so it’s not just the subtitles; the entire show is complex. Yeah, I’ll have to watch the show a couple of times to pick everything up, but any show that isn’t smart enough to be watched at least twice, probably isn’t worth my unwavering devotion.
First, why would anyone watch a show that would intentionally make it hard to pick up on given information? I can understand going back to watch a show and noticing all the subtle clues that lead to the final result. However, any information in the dialog is given directly to the view, which can then be used by the viewer to guess where the show is going. Viewers trying to figure out where the show is going next is what makes a show interesting.
Second, the show is presented so poorly, I'm considering not watching the episodes a first time. Heroes is not peeking my interest, it's frustrating to get so little information each week because there are multiple plot/subplots advanced each episode. Additionally, the fact that no one can figure out how to use their powers to their advantage is insane. For example, Parkman keeps letting people know he can read minds by using the same words he hears in people's thoughts. Come on, try to be a little more clever. End of season one, why couldn't Peter just fly himself away, he didn't need Nathan. And there are much more.
For me, Heroes is not a smart show, so I don't care to watch it more than once, if at all.
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Originally posted by izzow:
For example, Parkman keeps letting people know he can read minds by using the same words he hears in people's thoughts. Come on, try to be a little more clever.
Parkman just isn't very smart. That's always been part of his character. Remember, until he got his power he was a low-ranked unsuccessful cop oblivious to the fact that his wife was cheating on him. He's well-intentioned but fundamentally clueless.
Stands to reason that just because he got a power didn't suddenly make him smarter.
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Originally posted by izzow:
End of season one, why couldn't Peter just fly himself away, he didn't need Nathan. And there are much more.
He was devoting every bit of concentration he could muster into not blowing up. If he'd relaxed his concentration for just a second to try to fly at the same time, he'd probably have blown up on the spot.
I thought that was pretty clear from the context and I liked the fact that they gave the audience enough credit to not have to baby-step them through it.
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Peter is becoming quite the badass? When we left him in H1.23 he was god. So, as long as Peter has amnesia then he won’t remember that he’s god? Is that the story? Okay, I’ll play along. When he does finally remember who he is will he remember that he can do anything? And how many other powers will he have absorbed by then?
Yes, he was powerful, but he was held in check by his lack of confidence and the belief that he would be the cause of the destruction of NYC. Now that that disaster has been averted he may grow to be uber powerful.
I am still thinking he ran into the Haitian at some point, hence the amnesia.
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Did Mr. Bennett manipulate the Company? Or was it purely happenstance that Mohinder’s first task as Company medic was to cure the Haitian? It seems as if the whole thing with the Haitian may have been part of some larger plan, and if so, that means Bennett has some assets.
I do think that the Haitian and Mohinder plotted something. How else did the Haitian find Noah in California so fast? No doubt the Haitian mind wiped Mohinder to keep the Company from finding out about Noah and Mohinder's duplicity.
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Maya has the ability to mimic a biological weapon. That has some promise, but does it mean she is the new tool of evil?
True, she could be, but not willingly. More interesting is her brother seems able to absorb her fatal power and hold it in check. She only seems capable of using it when he is not around. I found it interesting he took the material out of the woman helping them across the border and she seemed fine.
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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
BrownCoat1, Peter got the spark power from Ted, the radioactive guy. In addition to giving off radioactive energy, he could also manipulate electromagnetic energy.
I'm more concerned about what powers Peter gained in the final battle last season. If he has D.L.'s power, then does he also have Nikki's? 'Cause if so, we're screwed six ways 'til Sunday. The world does not need a dissociative identity-disordered Peter running around.
Well, we see Peter exhibit Nikki's enhanced strength in the bar fight when he barely swings and sends the guy flipping end over end to land ten feet away. I do not think however that Nikki's split personality will be an issue if that is what you are concerned about. That condition is not linked to her power but rather a traumatic childhood experience.
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Newest graphic novel went online today. It explains what happened between Mohinder and the Haitian:
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/index.shtml?novel=53
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EDIT: Gah! Missed a same-time post by one minute!
New comic confirms that the Haitian and Mohinder came up with the plan. The memory-wipe is left unexplored, but I doubt Mohinder would put the whole operation at risk by trying to fake it.
And we get another representation of the Helix.
Also, this guy:
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We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.
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Originally posted by derangedmilk:
Naw, you're right. He used super strength to take down Sylar at the end of last season. My problem is, didn't he say to call up his powers he had to remember the person he got them from? If his memory is wacked you'd think he'd be powerless.
Peter had to recall the feelings that he felt about the individuals to call up their specific powers at will.
That being said, he still HAS the ability to use the powers. Its just he won't know what powers or that he even has the powers (if his mind is really wiped - jury's still out on that one as far as I'm concerned).
He could have just as easily ripped the rope apart using Nikki's super strength. And on that tack: no, I do not believe that he inherited the DID from Nikki. Although the DID allowed Jessica to manifest, it was still Nikki's power - not Jessica's. And as was mentioned earlier, Jessica resolved her issues at the end of Season 1. And we'll be seeing more of her next week, so we can test the theory!
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Quote:I don’t think that’s the point. The subtitles are sometimes fast because people sometimes speak fast, and the subtitles have to follow the dialogue. It’s not a conspiracy to make your life miserable. But it’s just a tv show. If you don’t like it, find something else to do.
Originally posted by izzow:
First, why would anyone watch a show that would intentionally make it hard to pick up on given information?
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:You just gave me an idea. If peter’s ability comes from some form of empathy ability, and he learns how to mimic the powers of other heroes, then shouldn’t it be possible that the Haitian can, by wiping his memory, destroy his ability to use a certain powers?
Originally posted by Stegasaurus:
That being said, he still HAS the ability to use the powers. Its just he won't know what powers or that he even has the powers (if his mind is really wiped - jury's still out on that one as far as I'm concerned).
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Originally posted by Cybersnark:
New comic confirms that the Haitian and Mohinder came up with the plan. The memory-wipe is left unexplored, but I doubt Mohinder would put the whole operation at risk by trying to fake it.
I don't see why that would be such a risk - unless you're assuming that the company will put him in a room with someone else with mind reading powers? In which case the entire operation would be at risk ANYWAY because he still knows he's in touch with Noah, the supposed memory-wipe didn't take that away.
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