Beginning of BDM

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PACHELBEL

Friday, September 28, 2007 6:57 PM

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I always attributed the 8-month delay from River's escape to the Operative's involvement to bureaucratic red tape, and the Dr trying to disguise the severity of what/who had escaped.

I thought the warrant for Simon's and River's arrest went out immediately after the escape. The Operative isn't called in until normal channels, the blue hand guys and Early, turn up empty. Hence, ~8 months pass from the time Simon and River board Serenity in the original pilot for the TV show to the time River is triggered in the BDM.

So, how long ago was the escape? I've never heard any mention of that, but greater than 8 months prior to River being triggered.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, September 28, 2007 8:33 PM

The warrant was for the series, the normal channels.
But the Operative wasn't working with warrants, his was a much more urgent assignment, and wouldn't be included in any files, she would be removed by "sideways" means, as Book said.

If the facts from the beginning of the BDM had surfaced form the get-go, the Dr would have been terminated immediately and the Operative sent out pronto. The potential exposure of the Miranda secret was vastly more urgent than some mere lab escapee.
I thought 8 months was the period mentioned by Mal, like at the end of the BDM? The escape and pilot occurred 6 years after the Battle of Serenity Valley, how much more time elapsed from the escape/pilot until the Operative came on scene at the start of BDM and chased down our BDH?

"My turn"

WYTCHCROFT

Friday, September 28, 2007 10:02 PM

the delay in the warrant being isseued
and between the feds - blue sun - and operative, (urgent assigmnent maybe - but it took till TLB to send him)
leaves room for further exploration by comics, dvds, fan fics etc...

i wonder about Sion's access fake id (or p'raps not) which is discussed in another thread:
http://fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=12&t=30410

and whether this had any bearing on the time scale...

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, September 28, 2007 10:15 PM

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Originally posted by wytchcroft:
the delay in the warrant being isseued
and between the feds - blue sun - and operative, (urgent assigmnent maybe - but it took till TLB to send him)
leaves room for further exploration by comics, dvds, fan fics etc...

i wonder about Sion's access fake id (or p'raps not) which is discussed in another thread:
http://fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=12&t=30410

and whether this had any bearing on the time scale...

What's TLB? I think they sent him AS SOON AS they discovered the Miranda secret was compromised. Thus beginning the BDM.

WYTCHCROFT

Friday, September 28, 2007 10:30 PM

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:

What's TLB? I think they sent him AS SOON AS they discovered the Miranda secret was compromised. Thus beginning the BDM.

my bad, TLB - Those Left Behind. Set a while before the BDM.

Still how LONG a gap there is between Serenity the pilot and Serenity the movie ... i.e. between breakout and operative - it's open to debate...

keep flyin:)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, October 16, 2007 6:23 AM

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Originally posted by wytchcroft:
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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:

What's TLB? I think they sent him AS SOON AS they discovered the Miranda secret was compromised. Thus beginning the BDM.

Still how LONG a gap there is between Serenity the pilot and Serenity the movie ... i.e. between breakout and operative - it's open to debate...

keep flyin:)

Mal states in BDM after River's triggered from Fruity Oaty Bars that she's been on board for 8 months. Is there other conflicting info? This was in the "safe word" explanation scene.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, December 19, 2007 9:16 AM

From the Official Companions of Firefly Vol 1&2 and Serenity:
in Pilot Serenity River is 17 when she comes out of the box.
in opening scene of BDM River is 16, and in the rest of BDM River is 17.

Conclusions, assuming these do not conflict, would be that River's birthday was in the days between Simon rescuing her and her arrival on Serenity (in Pilot), and she has been onboard less than a year (Mal states 8 months in BDM, but there is discussion about that statement).

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, January 28, 2008 9:55 AM

After reviewing this thread, further comments about the timeline.

1. Opening of BDM script, Operative at Institute tells Dr Mathias that River escaped 8 months ago.

2. At end of Those Left Behind, the Operative is given the River Tam assignment.

3. When the Operative reviews the recordings at the Institute, he finds the Dr's sin, and kills him for exposing reader River to leading members of Parliament.

4. After killing Dr Mathias, Operative has subliminal trigger sent out in Fruity Oaty Bar commercials, after a few weeks (stated by Mr Universe), River enters the Maidenhead and is triggered. This is when Mal says River has been aboard 8 months.

ASARIAN

Monday, January 28, 2008 2:57 PM

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:

After reviewing this thread, further comments about the timeline.

1. Opening of BDM, Operative at Institute tells Dr Mathias that River escaped 8 months ago.

I thought you were gonna watch the BDM again to verify I was right about the Operative actually NOT saying that? :)

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=4&t=31980&m=575019

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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, January 29, 2008 8:54 AM

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Originally posted by asarian:
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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:

After reviewing this thread, further comments about the timeline.

1. Opening of BDM, Operative at Institute tells Dr Mathias that River escaped 8 months ago.

I thought you were gonna watch the BDM again to verify I was right about the Operative actually NOT saying that? :)

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=4&t=31980&m=575019

--
"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

Thanks, that is one on my list of things to check. Modified the above post to specify script.

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