Boycott Fox? You've got to be kidding.

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I know this is way off topic, but this has been sticking with me a couple days. First of all, the analogy is a poor one- Organisms don't evolve, species do. Second, Darwin wasn't wrong.

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First, 'species' or 'organism' is hair-splitting, since it's only an analogy. Suffice to say, what is intended is that this particular 'organism' -- which it's not by definition -- reacts and adapts to environmental pressures. Sorry if I hung you up on words that don't literally correspond in the first place... I was being figurative.

Second, Darwin was wrong, in the way he stated evolution worked. It's official, everyone knows it, because the fossil record doesn't bear it out. So people (as individual organisms, not the entire species) are evolving their theories to more accurately reflect the experimental result. Right now, one of the more promising is 'punctuated equilibrium'. Do a phrase search; here's an excerpt I found, with reference:

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The concept of punctuated equilibrium (PE) is explained. The development of the idea since its inception by Stephen Gould and Niles Eldredge is traced, as well as some of the controversies. PE consists of two aspects:

(1) an observation -that the fossil record is characterised by

(a) abrupt appearance of species, and

(b) stasis, or lack of substantial change, throughout a species' range in the fossil record; and

(2) a theoretical attempt to explain how this pattern can fit an evolutionary (naturalistic) model for the origin of species.

Follow link for more from http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/tj/docs/v8n2_punc_
equilibrium.asp

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In short, there is no fossil record of the slow change of one species into another. There is only one species that seems to spontaneously arise from no direct predecessor, which carries on unchanged until its extinction, then another species follows without the intermediate forms Darwin supposed. Even if it's off-topic, it's still nice to know people think about more than what sorta firearms Jayne owns...





Respectfully,

zoid
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"River didn't fix faith. Faith fixed River."

- Senator Richard 'Book' Wilkins, Independent Congress
author of A Child Shall Lead Them: A History of the Second War of Independence

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Originally posted by IamJacksUsername:

In a recent study http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_Report.pdf (See an excellent CSM http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1009/dailyUpdate.html summary), PIPA looked at where people got their incorrect info from:

80% of Fox News viewers were likely to hold one of the three incorrect beliefs.
71% of those who relied on CBS for news.
61% ABC.
55% NBC
55% CNN.
47% of Americans who rely on the print media as their primary source of information.
23% of the NPR/PBS audience.

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I'm sorry, I'm trying to stifle my derisive snickering...

Gotta go with Zoid on this one - I guarantee I could get you opposite numbers by choosing three different legitimate misconceptions.

No people can be both ignorant and free, indeed.

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Originally posted by zoid:
The person or persons responsible for cancelling Firefly, in particular, have no business being in the field of entertainment. As soon as I hear they are no longer working at Fox, I'll tune in their shows again.

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I heard, from a reliable inside source, that there was one person who had it in for Firefly, and that person is no longer in the same position at FOX.

It is not the same thing as an apology or being fired, but it gave me some small comfort.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

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Originally posted by Thrawn:


It will, however, accomplish one thing very well - the NEXT time Fox buys a Firefly, or a Wonderfalls, the audience that would watch it, the audience that would keep it on air, will be boycotting the network, so it will fail AGAIN.

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The NEXT time Fox buys a Firefly or Wonderfalls, they'll just mis-handle it, muck it up and dump it just like they always do.

"Take me, sir. Take me hard."

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Originally posted by Thrawn:
So, especially after Wonderfalls, there seems to be a HUGE number of people with the general thought "That's it. I'm done. I'm never watching a single Fox show ever, period."

I ask you - what are you hoping to accomplish? You think you're going to drive Fox out of business? You have no chance. No CHANCE. If everyone that ever watched Firefly or Wonderfalls never watched another Fox show again, we'd still barely make a dent. Fox's general audience is so completely different from those shows that us boycotting them isn't going to accomplish anything useful.

It will, however, accomplish one thing very well - the NEXT time Fox buys a Firefly, or a Wonderfalls, the audience that would watch it, the audience that would keep it on air, will be boycotting the network, so it will fail AGAIN. And the exact same thing will happen. All you're going to accomplish by refusing to watch anything Fox ever produces is help prevent Fox from ever producing anything interesting. Which, it seems to me, is exactly the opposite of what you'd want.

There is no conspiracy here. The only reason Fox cancels shows is because they tank. If you look at the Wonderfalls ratings, they fell sharply, from an already fairly bad first number. Granted, Fox is worse than most at promoting these shows and placing them in positions where they will be watched, and it's likely that they made a mistake by cancelling it early, but it's not because they're evil malicious conservatives or because they have a death feud against Tim Minear. It's because they don't understand how it takes a long time for cult followings to develop, and aren't willing to grant the time it takes for that to happen.

If we're ever going to get a show like this to stick around, we're going to have to show them that it's profitable for that to happen. Which means, first and foremost, that we have to actually watch it. Fox may be an unusually pathetic and incompetent network, but that's two good shows in a row they've been interested in and bought, and that failed because not enough people watched them. It's mostly their fault, but it's partially ours, too.

Don't boycott Fox, and don't assume that we'll never get one of these to work. All you're doing is causing more harm than good, and reducing the possibilities for more creative shows in the future. By all means, don't watch the bad ones - avoid any and all reality TV like the plague - but if you see one that looks interesting, watch it. And if you like it, get other people to watch it.

You never know what we can do when we try hard enough.

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The only thing I watch on FOX now is "Tru Calling". Use to watch "Wonderfalls" but the bastards cancelled it. So, for one hour a week, I watch FOX. Thursdays at 8pm. I gave up watchin' Survivor(one of my fav shows ever) to watch it. I hope they don't cancel "Tru Calling" as well.

Dragon Lord

Summer: Jane's a girls name
Jayne: Well I ain't no girl! I can prove it!
Simon: I'm trying to picture you more vulgar... but, I can't

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My boycotting of Fox has nothing to do with trying to meed out a penlty for their cancelation of Firefly.. though that did leave a particularly bitter taste in my mouth. Instead my 'boycott' is more about not finding anything on Fox I want to watch anymore.

On the rare occasion that Fox does come up with something I may feel inclinded to watch, I have twice the difficulty forming any emotional attachment to the show.. or characters as I would for another channel.. mainly because I no longer trust Fox will keep anything I like.
It's about trust and violation of that trust.

Reality TV appeals to folk who don't want to get involved in a good progressive plot and story line.. It's easy for short attention spans to skip and come back two weeks later and jump right in.. It's easy for Fox to preempt, postpone, or cancel and not worry about losing what audience they have. This is not what I'm looking for, but this is what Fox likes. Xfiles and other shows Fox has aired in the past would never have done so well as they did if Fox had treated them and their audiences the way they treated Firefly and other newer Fox hopefuls.

Fox has no patience and they have lost me as a trusting viewer. I wish things were different.. but Fox hasn't changed.

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Originally posted by zoid:
...still nice to know people think about more than what sorta firearms Jayne owns...B]

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You mean like a Callahan Fullbore Autolock with a custom trigger?

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Originally posted by infra172:
Want to know how you can hurt the networks who cancel your shows? DONT BUY THE DVDs! Don't buy the Wonderfalls DVDs when they come out. Download pirated versions.

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They cancelled that wonderful program after only four weeks. Do they even make up DVDs for shows cancelled that fast? They should call that "Drive-by-programming"... My second wedding, at the County Courthouse, lasted longer than the run of "Wonderfalls"...

They can have my "Firefly" DVDs when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers....

Oh yeah, you, FOX TV!!

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