Sept. 11, 2001
POSTED BY: Hero
UPDATED: Saturday, May 13, 2023 22:40
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See, this is EXACTLY what I mean. Lefties are cowards and pussies for trying to dodge and squirm out of the issue, and then when you call them on it , they hyper analyze the god damn sentence,
Wow. That's fuckin rich coming from a guy who
Sorry dickhead, but I've never dodged one god damn fucking thing.
You do nothing but dodge, you lying little fuck.
You have a well-established rep for vanishing from a thread whenever someone posts proof to counter your bullshit.
Then you start another thread saying the same bullshit.
You are the coward. And a sychophantic little yes-man who buys into everything your precious Bush tells you.
You're not even worth discussion.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Storymark, you always sugar-coat your stuff...just let AU have it, for once!
Chrisisall
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Hey storymark, fuck off. You lying piece of shit. You're full of crap but no substance.
I've done everything BUT dodge. What's gotten your panties in a bunch is that I don't blindly follow your zealous hatred for Bush, and when I give you an answer you don't like, you call it a dodge. Typical Left wing puke response.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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rue - as a reply to your request from the other thread,.....
I say Bush poorly phrased a line to show that FAILING to get OBL hasn't taken away from the success which has been made in dealing with al Qaeda. Kinda like happened w/ Saddam. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. We couldn't find Saddam, and heard much of the same comments. Then, when we DID find him, the antagonist acted as if it was no big deal. So Bush's position is to simply minimalize the actual capture ( or NON capture ) of OBL as being the end all/ be all measure of success on the war on terror.
Even if we GET OBL, the terrorsit will still fight us and the West, so getting him, while a high priority, might not be the make or break that we have thought.
This is the question you waited all weekend for to ask ?
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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hasn't taken away from the success which has been made in dealing with al Qaeda
But what about 9/11 and the interests of JUSTICE for the people who were killed and their families ? (And I do mean JUSTICE - not revenge.) Don't you want to see that done to redress the great human tragedy ? Or is the tragedy - in YOUR mind - merely a trifle ?
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But what about 9/11 and the interests of JUSTICE for the people who were killed and their families ? (And I do mean JUSTICE - not revenge.) Don't you want to see that done to redress the great human tragedy ?
(On the morning of September 12, 2001)
Rue: I heard. This Osama is a brigand, nothing more.
Auraptor: And how would you deal with this brigand?
Rue: Like any common thief. Have the local magistrate arrest him and punish him accordingly.
Auraptor:(Punches his Rue.) Osama has already
killed the magistrates and taken control of Afganistan...
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Sometimes justice is easier said then done.
Saddam's victims cried out for justice for his crimes against humanity twenty years ago. But it was not until his armies were scattered, his nation torn from beneath his heel, and he was dragged weeping with fear from his hole that justice could be served.
Likewise the greatest of all human tragedies, the holocaust, was forced to wait upon the successfull conclusion of the war before its architects could be given the justice they had earned.
Such is life, such is war, such is justice.
H
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But the US had bin Laden trapped and ready to be captured. And then just let him go. It was quite easily done if there had been the will. But there apparently wasn't one, despite the 'dead or alive' rhetoric.
Are you saying it was OK to let him go when he was within reach ?
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S'wneyways, while I'm waiting for answers from Rap and 'hero' - did you all notice how the bushits have been buzzing lately ? That speech Thursday musta really made them nervous. After being on the down low for so long, it's interesting how they all came out, so to speak - so the rest of us now know exactly who they are - Rap, Jong, 'hero', Geezer, Skywalken, BDN ...
Amazing, ain't it ? All those folk claiming they just want 'fairness' finally came out in their little parade for all to see. 
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But the US had bin Laden trapped and ready to be captured. And then just let him go. It was quite easily done if there had been the will. But there apparently wasn't one, despite the 'dead or alive' rhetoric.
Are you saying it was OK to let him go when he was within reach ?
I doubt very much the US simply 'let him go ', as you try to paint the picture. Nearly got him, but he got away.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Clearly you didn't read this, posted by SignyM
"Here is the story from the guy who led the attack on Tora Bora and had bin Laden pinned down. Gary Bernsten was a CIA officer who had tracked bin Laden through both the Clinton and Bush administrations. A Republican, he is still highly critical of the Clinton Administrations' lack of guts on taking out bin Laden. After 9-11 he made it his personal mission to bring the terrorist in.
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BERNTSEN: With Tora Bora, it began, the final portion of that operation began after we seized the capital, Kabul. I sent an eight-man team down into Jalalabad. From Jalalabad, they moved down south right up against the mountains there, where Tora Bora was back up in the mountains. ...
We had locations on him, we had human source reporting which had proved reliable throughout the war. And that is why we won the war so rapidly. We had picked up a radio off of a dead al Qaeda member and we're listening to bin Laden pray with his people, apologize to his people for bringing them in there.
I had CIA's top Arabic linguist with me, who had listened to bin Laden's for four years. We threw a 15,000-pound Blue 82 at them and then we had B52's conduct strikes on the same areas where he knew he was. ... we did know exactly.
... The Afghans were less than reliable and this is why I was calling for ground forces. And I called for, you know, 600-to-800 rangers to be inserted in there, and had 600-to-800 rangers been inserted, we probably would have ended the thing.
...I made the request in the first two or three days of December. We initiated that operation. We inserted our team in late November into Jalalabad there.
Well, I requested the rangers directly from the commander of JSOC, who was on the ground out there. And of course, their decision was not to do that. They were pleased with the fact that we were killing several hundred of them a day. The problem is this: when you are fighting terrorists, success for the terrorists is not defeating us on the battlefield, it's escaping. And I was trying to make sure that we eliminated every single one of them. And in that case, we didn't. We killed quite a large number of bin Laden's force. We killed 75 percent of the people there. He did cross the border. You may recall that 130 of them were captured by the Pakistanis on the back side of Tora Bora, but bin Laden and his element were able to escape.
...General Franks is a great American. I, however, was on the ground running the intelligence collection operation. ... The U.S. military, the soldiers that were with us on the ground there, fought like lions. They did a wonderful job. The problem was, was Tora Bora was a very, very difficult place to access. It was an area that was far away, it was high, it was cold. It would have been very difficult and it would have been risky to put soldiers in. There likely would have been significant casualties. The fact is is no one, whether they're in the CIA or the military gets ahead taking risks. It would have been a risky endeavor. But I put my four men in there. They went up. And actually two of my men were CIA officers and two of them were JSOC officers that had been assigned over to me. This is a fact of the war.
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10639901/"
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