Time Travel movies and shows that are PC*
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Monday, October 22, 2007 05:45
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Quote:You scoundrel, you.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Miss Panetierre’s bedroom
Regeneratin' Chrisisall
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
If quantum effects manifested themselves on a macroscopic level, I could tunnel into Miss Panetierre’s bedroom...
Damned immutable laws of physics...
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Did anyone mention A Sound of Thunder?
I will say that the movie was a piece of crap, although I can see that they tried (albeit not very hard. The CGI car scenes were just atrocious!) But the short story really captivated me when I read it
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in the 4th grade. 
So also because of that, I won't attempt to criticize whether it was accurate or not. As a matter of fact, I've already established that I'm no rocket scientist (nor quantum or theoretical physicist).
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These are some great Time Travel films & shows :
1) Stitch In Time....Outer Limits New Series...Amanda Plummer, Michelle Forbes
2) Gettysburg ....Outer Limits New Series...Meatloaf, Alex Diakun
3) Trials & Tribblations....Deep Space Nine
4) Little Green Men ...Deep Space Nine
5) Year Of Hell....Voyager
6) Yesterday's Enterprise....Next Generation
7) Time's Arrow.......Next Generation
8) Cause And Effect....Next Generation
9) City On The Edge Of Forever....ST Original
10)Millenium...Cheryl Ladd, Daniiel Travante
11)Time After Time...Malcolm McDowall, David Warner
12)Time Machine...Rod Taylor, Yvette Mimieux
13)Beyond The Time Barrier...Robert Clarke
14)World Without End...Hugh Marlowe, Rod Taylor
15)The Man Who Was Never Born...Outer Limits Original Series...Martin Landau, Shirley Knight
All 15 of these are very enjoyable to watch numerous times, and seem relatively logical in regards to time and time paradoxes.
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:Quote:How do you influences events in history if you’re not even in your own history? If you go back in time in some other universe and kill Hitler, then you can’t expect that Hitler would have been killed when you return to your time. In fact, wouldn’t you return to a completely unchanged timeline?
Originally posted by Grounded:
I don't think "seeing yourself" is enough to constitute a paradox, obviously assuming the fictional universe we're talking about is based on one of the theoretical side-steps such as the already mentioned 'many worlds' idea.
Indeed. But take the Twelve Monkeys example where Cole travels back within his own history. The 'side-step' in this instance is that he ends up in causal loop, as evidenced by the fact that as a child he remembers seeing his future self die. The fact that the two Coles see each other doesn't produce a paradox (there may be other paradoxes in the movie, I can't remember!), because young Cole saw himself 'the first time around'. I use quotes because in the causal loop scenario there is no 'first time around'!
I guess the vague point I'm trying to make is that most fiction tends to go with a concept of time travel that produces paradoxes by the bundle i.e. a supposedly mutable timeline that can be dipped in and out of at will. Those that implement many worlds or causal loops are few and far between.
Another good TT movie is Primer, which has an insanely rigorous time travel plot (but I think even it ends up with one or two paradoxes buried in the time loops somewhere!).
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You know...Donnie Darko was a time travel movies that didn't muck things up too badly, but, for a very simple reason.
Donnie has two options, and in the end, picks the better of the two. If Donnie survives the jet engine falling into his house, he sets off a chain of events that ends with his girlfriend's death (quite possibly his mother and sister's as well). He's given extraordinary abilities, but soon finds that these abilities are only granted him so that he can find a way to set things back the way they were supposed to be. The way things are supposed to be is the jet engine falls on Donnie, killing him instantly. This negates the entire film, and the audience has no idea what's going to happen next.
Granted, where the engine came from in the first place is a sore spot with me. Also, the tone of the film comes off like "weird for weird's" sake, something I don't normally cotton to. It took a couple of tries for me to get into it.
Chrisisall...we've talked about this on several occasions! There's only one way an infinity loop can start, and that's with Timeline A!
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Originally posted by manwithpez:
Chrisisall...we've talked about this on several occasions! There's only one way an infinity loop can start, and that's with Timeline A!
Are you sure you've discussed this on several occasions? Or have you discussed this once, several times?
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I'm getting deja vu....
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Quote:That’s my point too. Hollywood’s version of time travel doesn’t make any sense, but then time travel backwards in time doesn’t make a lot of sense.
Originally posted by Grounded:
Indeed. But take the Twelve Monkeys example where Cole travels back within his own history. The 'side-step' in this instance is that he ends up in causal loop, as evidenced by the fact that as a child he remembers seeing his future self die. The fact that the two Coles see each other doesn't produce a paradox (there may be other paradoxes in the movie, I can't remember!), because young Cole saw himself 'the first time around'. I use quotes because in the causal loop scenario there is no 'first time around'!
I guess the vague point I'm trying to make is that most fiction tends to go with a concept of time travel that produces paradoxes by the bundle i.e. a supposedly mutable timeline that can be dipped in and out of at will. Those that implement many worlds or causal loops are few and far between.
Also I want to clear up a distinction, when you say that it “doesn’t produce a paradox” I’m not sure that’s true. The paradox is probably there, it’s just being ignored.
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Also I want to clear up a distinction, when you say that it “doesn’t produce a paradox” I’m not sure that’s true. The paradox is probably there, it’s just being ignored.
Well from your previous post about uniqueness, I understood that you were saying a paradox arose simply from the time traveler looking at his former self (or vice versa). In the causal loop scenario, I don't believe that's necessarily true. It seemed to me that you were arguing from a philosophical perspective (i.e. if I'm me looking at myself, which one am I?), but from a physical perspective I don't see the issue. Of course, I could very well be missing something obvious - it's hard to keep track of all these pesky time travelers... ;)
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