Time Travel movies and shows that are PC*
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Monday, October 22, 2007 05:45
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Quote:That’s a good one. Someone really put some thought into that movie. Evan doesn’t actually go back in time to see himself, which is clearly impossible, but rather goes back to his self. Evan of the past experiences these events as blackouts, because clearly he can’t know them if they haven’t happened yet. I think the paradox still exists, but because you never actually see what Evan is doing during his blackouts until he goes back in time, you don’t have a reference to claim any violations of causality. It’s really very well done.
Originally posted by Cruithne3753:
In The Butterfly Effect, the main protagonist finds that changing small things in the past leads on to all sorts of unexpected knock-on changes in the present.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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I was going to mention, Doctor Who, but StillShiny beat me to it. 
DW has probably done the best job of being "paradoxically correct" (but then again, having been on forty years it's probably written some of the rules about that sort of thing).
I'm glad you brought up The Butterfly Effect, Cruithne3753. That film often gets panned, but I always thought it was very well done.
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If it hadn't been mentioned, I certainly would have said The Butterfly Effect. I absolutely love that movie still today. When it came out at the theater, I went and saw 4 times. Then I had to d/l a bootleg to watch it again and again, until finally the DVD came out.
I kept finding little details that I missed before and I always had fun trying to wrap my head around each situation in the timeline.
Even the alternate ending, however gruesome, haeld alot of validity in properly correcting the timeline to protect Kayleigh. Albeit a very narrow concept seeing as at any time she could have walked in front of a bus because Evan was never there to stop it.
While not exceptionally proud of it, I was just about obcessed with that movie. Now I just enjoy it a whole hell of a lot. This is the one movie that broke my rules of a likable/loveable story. That which allows me to escape into the story and place myself within the events. Never able to conceive of it with this one.
BE2, however, sucked much balzack. 
And while not meaning to interject this, as it was discussed in another thread I feel the need to say: No, I did not like The Butterfly Effect more than Serenity. Apples and Oranges to me. 
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In "Somewhere in Time" where did the watch originate from?
http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
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The watch is a sort of mobius strip in the movie. She got it from him when he went back to 1912 or whenever, she held onto it for 50 odd years, then gave it to him when he graduated. So it doesn't really have an origin per se, it just keeps looping.
Oh, one time travel movie that really ticked me off that completely disregards the rules of time travel is DEJA VU. Complete waste of time.
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Quote:I liked Déjà Vu because it had Denzel Washington, one of my favorite actors, in it, but yeah, the premise of it was a bit hooey.
Originally posted by reginaroadie:
Oh, one time travel movie that really ticked me off that completely disregards the rules of time travel is DEJA VU. Complete waste of time.
In Déjà Vu, the FBI investigates a crime by examining events that occurred four and half days earlier through technology that creates a wormhole. Their first problem is that they over specified the techno-babble. They referred to the wormhole as an Einstein-Rosen Bridge, which is a real solution to the General Theory – in fact, if I’m not mistaken it was the first wormhole found to be a solution to the General Theory. But it is also unstable; it doesn’t exist long enough for even light to travel through it, and if light can’t travel through it, then no information at all can, and it doesn’t exist. It may be a solution to the General Theory, but it’s a trivial solution, like 0=0.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
An electron can travel back in time, because an electron is not unique. It can’t be distinguished from any other electron, nor can it be even exactly specified in space. So we don’t know where an electron is, nor do we know whether it is different from any other electron. As long as you are you, you cannot go back in time.
Not that I'm arguing that backwards time travel is physically possible, but I'm not sure the above quote is reasoning enough to disallow it! Surely non-uniqueness applies to every elementary particle in the body? I don't think "seeing yourself" is enough to constitute a paradox, obviously assuming the fictional universe we're talking about is based on one of the theoretical side-steps such as the already mentioned 'many worlds' idea.
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Quote:And Timeline.
Originally posted by reginaroadie:
Oh, one time travel movie that really ticked me off that completely disregards the rules of time travel is DEJA VU. Complete waste of time.
Not so much that it disregarded paradoxes- I got that they were part of what had always happened- I disliked it because the last 20 minutes turned into a bad remake of the last 20 minutes of Army Of Darkness (a glorious film, that!).
Ashisall
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Quote:How do you influences events in history if you’re not even in your own history? If you go back in time in some other universe and kill Hitler, then you can’t expect that Hitler would have been killed when you return to your time. In fact, wouldn’t you return to a completely unchanged timeline?
Originally posted by Grounded:
I don't think "seeing yourself" is enough to constitute a paradox, obviously assuming the fictional universe we're talking about is based on one of the theoretical side-steps such as the already mentioned 'many worlds' idea.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:You might not return at all, lost forever in an endless slice of looping reality.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
In fact, wouldn’t you return to a completely unchanged timeline?
Careful calculations and tracing family history might help you survive timeline changes, but then again, you might also be part of what had always happened...
"God, a person could go crazy thinking about this..."
But you couldn't HOPE to alter something so grand and come out of it alive/existing/unchanged.
Marty got lucky Chrisisall
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