Sept. 11, 2001

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Just keep this near the top on Monday/ Tuesday so I don't forget. I'll get back wit'cha.

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Okay, a statement for the record: I haven't forgotten those responsible for 9/11.

Our duly appointed president apparently has.

If he had truly been interested in balancing accounts for 9/11 he would have properly finished the job in Afghanistan when he had the chance.

Instead he chose to attack Iraq. Which made about as much sense as avenging Pearl Harbor by declaring war on Mexico.

But George W. bush had a combination of personal and business reasons for doing so, and decided they were more important than actually honoring our dead. 9/11 was not the reason for attacking Iraq. It was the excuse.

And that is the reason I detest George W. Bush. He reduced the dead in the rubble, the victims and the brave emergency personnel who died trying to rescue them, to nothing but a slogan to support his own agenda.

So now we have a two-front, probably unwinable war, and our dead remain unavenged.

Anyone who invokes 9/11 to support Bush's policies is either a fool, a hypocrite, or willfully blind.



"She's tore up plenty. But she'll fly true." -- Zoë Washburn

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Quisqueya, I'm sorry for your brother. I know what it's like to have someone close to you chronically ill. To have that occur by a random act of hate is hard to imagine. AFA Auraptor is concerned... apologizing for him seems presumptuous, but I winced when I read his post. I don't know what to say.

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Originally posted by RocketJock:
Okay, a statement for the record: I haven't forgotten those responsible for 9/11.

Our duly appointed president apparently has.

If he had truly been interested in balancing accounts for 9/11 he would have properly finished the job in Afghanistan when he had the chance.

Instead he chose to attack Iraq. Which made about as much sense as avenging Pearl Harbor by declaring war on Mexico.

But George W. bush had a combination of personal and business reasons for doing so, and decided they were more important than actually honoring our dead. 9/11 was not the reason for attacking Iraq. It was the excuse.

And that is the reason I detest George W. Bush. He reduced the dead in the rubble, the victims and the brave emergency personnel who died trying to rescue them, to nothing but a slogan to support his own agenda.
So now we have a two-front, probably unwinable war, and our dead remain unavenged.

Anyone who invokes 9/11 to support Bush's policies is either a fool, a hypocrite, or willfully blind.



"She's tore up plenty. But she'll fly true." -- Zoë Washburn

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"He reduced the dead in the rubble, the victims and the brave emergency personnel who died trying to rescue them, to nothing but a slogan to support his own agenda.
So now we have a two-front, probably unwinable war, and our dead remain unavenged."

Bush did nothing of the sort. We went after OBL and al Qaeda almost immediatly after we were attacked. We took down the Taliban and captured many in the al Qaeda organization. We froze , or tried to, the assets of phony organizations used as fronts to funnel $$ for the terrorist. ( Unfortunatly, the NYTimes figured it was a better idea to out some of our secret operations ) But fighting a terrorist organization which is small and mobile isn't the same as trying to take down an established country. OBL went underground, and our lack of intel in the area cost us. It wasn't because of a lack of will or leadership, but simply not having the resources required to track our target in the wilderness. It makes less sense to highly broadcast our daily fight and search for this guy. But just because we've not caught 2 big names, we're still making life miserable for them, and keeping them on the move. Point is, don't equate our inability to get OBL as a sign we don't care, or that we're not trying. Because we do care, and we are trying.

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Auraptor:

You're missing my point.

I didn't define "finishing the job in Afghanistan" as "capturing OBL". My definition would be "stabilizing the region, and/or establishing a viable democratic government." Granted, capturing Bin Laden would be icing on the cake, but it wasn't the primary goal.

I supported the attack on Afghanistan. They had provided aid, both financial and logistical, to the bastards responsible for 9/11. They richly deserved to be brought down.

But then GWB, for, as I stated above, "personal and business reasons" decided it was a smart idea to wage a two-front war, and diverted resources needed for the stabilization of Afghanistan to attack Iraq. Despite the fact that Iraq had precisely Jack Shit to do with 9/11. Despite the fact that OBL and the Taliban hated Saddam's guts worse than ours, and that the SOB, for all his evil, was a force for stability in the region.

Bush invoked 9/11 as a slogan to justify his dividing of our forces for no good reason except to further his own political/financial goals. And in doing so he dishonored our dead.

I'm not sure if he did this out of greed, egotism, or simple incompetence. And in the end, it doesn't matter.

If Dante was right in reserving the coldest spot in Hell for traitors, then George W. Bush has a very chilly room reserved for him indeed.

"She's tore up plenty. But she'll fly true." -- Zoë Washburn

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But fighting a terrorist organization which is small and mobile isn't the same as trying to take down an established country. OBL went underground, and our lack of intel in the area cost us. It wasn't because of a lack of will or leadership, but simply not having the resources required to track our target in the wilderness.

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Horse puckies. Bush said

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So we don't know whether he's in a cave with the door shut or a cave with the door open. We just don't know. There's all kinds of reports and all kinds of speculation. But the thing we are certain about is that he's on the run, that he's hiding in caves, if hiding at all. And the other thing I'm certain about is we'll bring him to justice.

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What a blowhard. But anyway... Here is the story from the guy who led the attack on Tora Bora and had bin Laden pinned down. Gary Bernsten was a CIA officer who had tracked bin Laden through both the Clinton and Bush administrations. A Republican, he is still highly critical of the Clinton Administrations' lack of guts on taking out bin Laden. After 9-11 he made it his personal mission to bring the terrorist in.

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BERNTSEN: With Tora Bora, it began, the final portion of that operation began after we seized the capital, Kabul. I sent an eight-man team down into Jalalabad. From Jalalabad, they moved down south right up against the mountains there, where Tora Bora was back up in the mountains. ...

We had locations on him, we had human source reporting which had proved reliable throughout the war. And that is why we won the war so rapidly. We had picked up a radio off of a dead al Qaeda member and we're listening to bin Laden pray with his people, apologize to his people for bringing them in there.

I had CIA's top Arabic linguist with me, who had listened to bin Laden's for four years. We threw a 15,000-pound Blue 82 at them and then we had B52's conduct strikes on the same areas where he knew he was. ... we did know exactly.

... The Afghans were less than reliable and this is why I was calling for ground forces. And I called for, you know, 600-to-800 rangers to be inserted in there, and had 600-to-800 rangers been inserted, we probably would have ended the thing.

...I made the request in the first two or three days of December. We initiated that operation. We inserted our team in late November into Jalalabad there.

Well, I requested the rangers directly from the commander of JSOC, who was on the ground out there. And of course, their decision was not to do that. They were pleased with the fact that we were killing several hundred of them a day. The problem is this: when you are fighting terrorists, success for the terrorists is not defeating us on the battlefield, it's escaping. And I was trying to make sure that we eliminated every single one of them. And in that case, we didn't. We killed quite a large number of bin Laden's force. We killed 75 percent of the people there. He did cross the border. You may recall that 130 of them were captured by the Pakistanis on the back side of Tora Bora, but bin Laden and his element were able to escape.

...General Franks is a great American. I, however, was on the ground running the intelligence collection operation. ... The U.S. military, the soldiers that were with us on the ground there, fought like lions. They did a wonderful job. The problem was, was Tora Bora was a very, very difficult place to access. It was an area that was far away, it was high, it was cold. It would have been very difficult and it would have been risky to put soldiers in. There likely would have been significant casualties. The fact is is no one, whether they're in the CIA or the military gets ahead taking risks. It would have been a risky endeavor. But I put my four men in there. They went up. And actually two of my men were CIA officers and two of them were JSOC officers that had been assigned over to me. This is a fact of the war.

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