Iraqi WMD's non-existence still confounding some buggers!
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Friday, September 14, 2007 17:16
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There are a few people here who still think Iraq had WMD (though I'm still waiting for an answer from one person).
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No, weaponized anthrax is sporulated. It's relatvely easy to grow anthrax in a liquid medium. What's difficult is collecting and purifying the spore from the "goop" and milling the spores dwon to individual particles. Also, you need to apply an anti-static coating to the spores otherwise they clump together and settle out too quickly. At one time I knew the preferred particle size (it was in the micron range) but have since forgotten.
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Quote:You didn’t know. You bet against your country and may have gotten lucky, and now you’re trying to pass that off as knowledge. At best you’re disingenuous.
Originally posted by rue:
I did know there were no WMD and I posted that.
So, how did I and others know while you didn't ?
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Quote:No Finn. I KNEW.
You didn’t know.
Quote:I wasn't betting against my country I was betting for it. Because I ALSO knew that getting into Iraq would be a lot easier than getting out. I'll try and find my earlier posts from this board. Not that its verifiable but I can post my letters to Dianne Feinstein too if you wish.
You bet against your country and got lucky,
Quote:I have repeated more than once how I knew what I knew. If you would listen and take heed you might know too.
and now you’re trying to pass that off as knowledge.
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So, to reiterate: Start out with the idea that very few politicans really worry about "the state of the nation", and follow that with the idea that no politican is going to tell you outright that s/he's about to fnck you over.
Once you've stopped thinking of a politician as a big daddy (or mommy) taking care of the country you'll start to see the truth about a lot of things.
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FinnQuote:
You didn’t know. You bet against your country and may have gotten lucky, and now you’re trying to pass that off as knowledge. At best you’re disingenuous.
Actually I DID know, and I also knew that Bush knew, and that he lied. And so did SignyM, Ghoulman, and a few others. No betting was involved.
Bush LIED about WMD
May 09, 2005
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=10019
9/11 Commission finds no Credible link between Al Qaeda and Saddam
June 16, 2004
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=5766
Don't get mad, it's for our troops
May 05, 2004
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=5066
Our President
April 24, 2004
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=4880
So, how did we know ?
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Quote:Actually I DID know, and I also knew that Bush knew, and that he lied. And so did SignyM, Ghoulman, and a few others. No betting was involved.
Originally posted by rue:
FinnQuote:
You didn’t know. You bet against your country and may have gotten lucky, and now you’re trying to pass that off as knowledge. At best you’re disingenuous.
That you have nothing good to say about this administration only demonstrates how biased you are, not that you knew anything. How could you have known? Where you in charge of Saddam’s weapons’ programs? Are you magical? That’s it, isn’t it? What’s more likely, that you’re some sort of all-knowing and all-seeing magician or you just shot your mouth and by happenstance got it right?
I know which one I pick.
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Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
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So you have nothing to say about the topic.
I keep asking you to figure out HOW we knew because even back then there were very specific pieces of widely available information that gave it away.
But you refused to consider them, no matter how evident, because they didn't fit with what you wanted to believe.
Do you want me to pull out specific quotes ?
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Quote:IS there anything good to say? Let's see.. he tried to privatize Social Security, he gave a way a shitload of money to the pharmas thru Medicare by prohibiting the government from bargaining over the price, he and his administration fiddled while NOLA drowned, he declared himself free from needing warrants for telephone snooping- or habeus corpus for detention, he wrote more "signing statements" than all other Presidents combined, he created a larger deficit than all previous deficits, he tried to allow illegal immigrants permanent residence,... I dunno, what did he do right? If you can come up with something good I'd sure be interested to hear it.
That you have nothing good to say about this administration only demonstrates how biased you are
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How could you have known? Where you in charge of Saddam’s weapons’ programs? Are you magical? That’s it, isn’t it? What’s more likely, that you’re some sort of all-knowing and all-seeing magician or you just shot your mouth and by happenstance got it right?
Did you read my posts? I thought I was very clear on how I knew what I did:1) historical precedent
2) lack of trust in most politicians
3) reports from Blix
4) the timing and tone of Adminstration statements.
According to the old thread that Rue dug up, I've been pretty clear all along. Nothing magical about it- just realism.
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Quote:And I’ve already told you. You took a guess and it turned out to be right. For instance, you trusted the opinion of the Foreign Minister of Saddam’s Iraq. Why? Because there’s any reason to believe that he was being honest or even that he knew himself? No. Most of Saddam’s government, including many of his weapon’s experts, didn’t know. But somehow you did? Magic is the only way that could have happened.
Originally posted by rue:
So you have nothing to say about the topic.
I keep asking you to figure out HOW we knew because even back then there were very specific pieces of widely available information that gave it away.
You had a point of view based largely on cynicism, distrust and outright hatred of Bush administration, more than any kind of real knowledge, but as it turns out you were probably correct. However, as far as you knew or anyone else, it could have just as easily not been correct. Now you’re trying to attribute some kind of certain knowledge, but all you’re doing is undermining your own credibility.
No one knew.
Some people guessed right.
Quote:Historical precedent? At no time in history has a nation believed to have WMD turn out to have them? Lack of trust in most politicians – so what? Reports from Blix – Blix went before the UN and listed tons of biological and chemical weapons Saddam was believed to have. The timing and tone of the administration statements – again so what? What you did was make a guess, based largely on your political ideology more than any kind of real knowledge. Now if you want to admit that you made a guess, even an insightful guess, I can believe that and even tip my hat to your insight, but if you’re going to insist that you somehow knew what you couldn’t possibly have known, don’t bother, because I’m not that stupid.
Originally posted by SignyM:
According to the old thread that Rue dug up, I've been pretty clear all along. Nothing magical about it- just realism.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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