Iraqi WMD's non-existence still confounding some buggers!
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Friday, September 14, 2007 17:16
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However, Tyler Drumheller, the former chief of the CIA's European division, told the Los Angeles Times that "everyone in the chain of command knew exactly what was happening" with Curveball.
Finn
And I doubt it (Naji Sabri) was high on anyone’s list (of reliable sources)
Salon
Tyler Drumheller, the former CIA chief of clandestine operations for Europe, who disclosed that the agency had received documentary intelligence from Naji Sabri, Saddam's foreign minister, that Saddam did not have WMD. "We continued to validate him the whole way through," said Drumheller.
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Curveball was Bush's cover story, and while it may not have been clear to YOU in 2003 that there were no WMD, but it was clear to many people, including me. 
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Finn- It was crystal clear to me from the get-go. All I had to do was look at the accelerating hysteria the closer that Blix came to the finish to know that it was manufactured. The same thing happened b4 the invasion of Panama under the pretext that Noriega was a major drug-runner (HA! It was all about the canal) and the invasion of Grenada. War is not always about defense.
Quote:The US government is made of lots of people. Some of them are credible. Bush- not so much. Definitely less credible than Blix. But it is frustrating when you try to reduce everything to false dilemnas.
After the wash, it appears the " The Foreign Minister of Saddam’s Iraq " now has greater credibility than the US government.
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So tell me, Finn. How is it that some people knew there were no WMD in Iraq while you continued (and still continue) to believe Bush ?
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Finn- It was crystal clear to me from the get-go. All I had to do was look at the accelerating hysteria the closer that Blix came to the finish to know that it was manufactured. The same thing happened b4 the invasion of Panama under the pretext that Noriega was a major drug-runner (HA! It was all about the canal) and the invasion of Grenada. War is not always about defense.Quote:The US government is made of lots of people. Some of them are credible. Bush- not so much. Definitely less credible than Blix. But it is frustrating when you try to reduce everything to false dilemnas.
After the wash, it appears the " The Foreign Minister of Saddam’s Iraq " now has greater credibility than the US government.
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Always look upstream.
Don't mean to frustrate you,
Bush as head of that government has set the tone, and direction of action for the rest. Anyone who had the courage to stand up, either resigned ( like a long line of Generals, Tenet maybe, likely Powell ) or were silenced ( Plame, etc ) or did nothing... and I don't mind painting those who do nothing with the same brush as the true believers.
And as a whole, my feeling is the US government has no credibility, as that has caused harm in many areas... Sudan for one
The Alliance said they were gonna waltz through Serenity Valley. And we choked 'em with those words. We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.
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Quote:You don’t know any more than anyone else.
Originally posted by rue:
So tell me, Finn. How is it that some people knew there were no WMD in Iraq while you continued (and still continue) to believe Bush ?
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Originally posted by rue:
So tell me, Finn. How is it that some people knew there were no WMD in Iraq while you continued (and still continue) to believe Bush ?
I think your recalling things a bit off. Most folk "knew" Iraq had a WMD program. Some people "thought" they didn't. Part of Saddam's strategy was to hide the truth. Since we knew he had them originally, but could not prove he didn't have them in 2003, then we chose to act on the collective intellegence we had at the time. That intellegence was consistant with that of our allies, Iraq's history, Saddam's behaivor, and common sense.
Was my posting a joke. Of course. I took a real world event, sprinkled a little Pirate-ish insanity and out comes some good crazy talk. I'm glad some folk were smart enough to get the joke, and glad some of you didn't cause thats funny too. But unlike PirateNews, mine had a message.
What was my message? It was subtle and had several parts: If the UN can't find the WMDs in their office how can they find them in Iraq? The WMD vials in their office is more proof of an Iraqi weapons program in the late 1990s (since thats where and when the stuff came from). But that, and the tons of munitions, missiles, and old weapons found scattered in Iraq are ignored. Did Saddam have an active program? Probably not. But there were the leavings and remnants of the old arsenal discovered and kept classified till last year. There are the remnants and leavings of the old arsenal hidden in desk drawers at the UN.
Me, I thought Saddam had a good strategy. He was never able to recover fully from the 1991 war. So he hid Iraq's weakness from its aggressive neighbors by maintaining an aggressive and confrontational stance towards US policy in the region. He undermined the western alliance of 1991 by buying wholesale lots of French, German, Russian, and UN officials with illegal oil money. He covered up his impotence by concealing the extent or lack thereof of his WMD program. It worked good, had Clinton completely fooled.
Bush countered by courting new European allies and calling Saddam's bluff. Saddam played his bad hand rather then folding when he had the chance and it cost him his life and the lives of hundreds of thousands of his people.
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All that anyone in this Admin "knew" was that they wanted there to be WMD.
Spin it all you like, it was a war undertaken without proof, that has turned into a nightmare, killed thousands of our troops, and countless Iraqius, because our fucktard President wanted a war.
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Spin it all you like, it was a war undertaken without proof...
There was proof because we knew 100% he HAD them and we had little or no evidence they didn't have them.
And the WMDs were only one issue in the multi-issue cause for war that the administration presented. If we had ten good reasons and 1 bad one, then the war is still good. Also the torture rooms and mass graves we discovered after the invasion are reasons we did not list prior to the war but which help justify it after the war is over. After all nobody knew about the extermination of the Jews in WW2 till we liberated the camps in 1945. Yet regardless of everything else the wholesale slaughter of millions by Hitler justifies the whole war after the fact. The same principal applies here.
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I did know there were no WMD and I posted that.
So, how did I and others know while you didn't ?
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Hindsight is 20/20?
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