Boycott Fox? You've got to be kidding.
POSTED BY: Thrawn
UPDATED: Friday, April 9, 2004 13:37
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Alright. All the morons who don't know anything about business or economics stop posting here.
Stop buying the DVDs for these shows. Did it ever occur to you that the WB or Fox might cancel a show you like so that they can accelerate the release of the DVDs so that they can make a quick buck?
Here's how we'll win this: DESTROY NETWORK TELEVISION! Stop watching shows on network television. Start watching shows on cable. Cable shows aren't cancelled for political reasons like Wonderfalls or Firefly. Yes, I said political. Idiots who come on here and say its all about the ratings don't know what they're talking about. Wonderfalls and Firefly were cancelled before they even premiered. A network doesn't put a show on Friday night that they want to succeed. So no ammount of watching or not watching any particular show is going to change the situation.
We need to shift the money to cable networks. People abandoned network news for CNN and Fox News. News coverage on television is better than ever. The same could be true for our television shows. Hurt the major networks as much as you can so that the next time Joss wants to create a show, someone like the Scifi channel will pick it up.
Or don't listen to me and watch Fox create a new show you love every season just to crush it a few weeks later. Just keep thinking that "Yeah, next year we'll convince the heartless bastards to keep the show." 
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Originally posted by infra172:
Yes, I said political. Idiots who come on here and say its all about the ratings don't know what they're talking about. Wonderfalls and Firefly were cancelled before they even premiered. A network doesn't put a show on Friday night that they want to succeed. So no ammount of watching or not watching any particular show is going to change the situation.
Please tell me how this is political if Fox didn't like the show why would they bother putting money into it in the first place? I'm not saying that Fox is supportive of some of their shows but I can't see any reason why they'd create a show just so they could cancel it.
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HAH. I feel a sense of moral superiority. I've not watched fox since shortly after Firefly was cancelled.
Course, I haven't had cable since shortly after Firefly was cancelled, so.........
once the snow got so deep you almost couldn't hear margaret atwood
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Originally posted by infra172:
Alright. All the morons who don't know anything about business or economics stop posting here.
This is a free forum. We even let you post here.
If someone takes action like boycotting Fox on principle (or even because they think they can single handedly change the world!) then more power to them. I personally cancelled my cable subscription because I don't care for anything on the tube these days.
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Originally posted by infra172:
Alright. All the morons who don't know anything about business or economics stop posting here.
Stop buying the DVDs for these shows. Did it ever occur to you that the WB or Fox might cancel a show you like so that they can accelerate the release of the DVDs so that they can make a quick buck?
Here's how we'll win this: DESTROY NETWORK TELEVISION! Stop watching shows on network television. Start watching shows on cable. Cable shows aren't cancelled for political reasons like Wonderfalls or Firefly. Yes, I said political. Idiots who come on here and say its all about the ratings don't know what they're talking about. Wonderfalls and Firefly were cancelled before they even premiered. A network doesn't put a show on Friday night that they want to succeed. So no ammount of watching or not watching any particular show is going to change the situation.
We need to shift the money to cable networks. People abandoned network news for CNN and Fox News. News coverage on television is better than ever. The same could be true for our television shows. Hurt the major networks as much as you can so that the next time Joss wants to create a show, someone like the Scifi channel will pick it up.
Or don't listen to me and watch Fox create a new show you love every season just to crush it a few weeks later. Just keep thinking that "Yeah, next year we'll convince the heartless bastards to keep the show."
*I* don't know anything about business or economics? And you're telling me to stop buying DVDs for shows, and that the only reason Fox cancels shows is POLITICAL?
THINK about this. Fox cancels a show. The DVDs sell amazingly well. Now there's no more show being made for them to sell DVDs of, and that's lost profits for THEM. There is absolutely no reason they would ever cancel a show to expediate it going to DVD. If it would sell well on DVD, it would sell better on DVD if the show was running with new episodes.
And, as regards the Friday timeslot thing - you're a network exec. You have an enormous amount of successful reality shows, or whatever, and this weird sci-fi thing you don't quite understand, with a long-standing precedent of sci-fi shows dying quickly. You're going to attempt to capitalize more on the shows you KNOW will do well, rather than the shows you think will probably fail. It is, as you say, economics.
The problem lies with them thinking the show will probably fail, and so attempting to advertise it like another piece of lowest-common-denominator fluff. That's something we have to fix. And in order to do that, we have to show them that shows like these are successful.
How is Fox going to make money if they air all their shows for political reasons? That makes no sense at all! They air shows that make them money. Wonderfalls and Firefly didn't. Period. It's the fact that they didn't do well that we should be focusing on, because that's reason they were cancelled.
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Originally posted by infra172:
Want to know how you can hurt the networks who cancel your shows? DONT BUY THE DVDs! Don't buy the Wonderfalls DVDs when they come out. Download pirated versions.
You don't seem to see the difference between the division of Fox that creates all these great shows, has enthusiasm for them and wants them to be shown, and the television network that airs them only to cancel them prematurely.
The former (along with the actors, writers, directors, producers, etc) gets money from DVD sales.
The latter gets money from advertisers. That's it. Not buying DVD's does nothing except hurt our favorite creators and a studio that IS trying to create quality television.
"FOX! Where the shit hits the fans." - Tim Minear
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Originally posted by zoid:
I have been boycotting not only Fox, but their show sponsors as seen in TV Guide and fishwrap ads as well, since they canceled Firefly. I sincerely hope they don't enlist Boddington Pub Ale as a sponsor, 'cause I'd miss it, but...
I don't believe my actions will cause Fox to go broke or shut its doors. That's not what I'm shooting for.
I'll start watching Fox (soft 'u' sound) primetime TV again, the very same day I see an announcement stating their programming team have been FIRED... Sorry for shouting, but those idiots need to be flipping burgers some place. It'd also be nice to get a blurb from Fox stating that they 1.) needed to go in a new direction, with 2.) people who knew something about quality programming, and that they 3.) had placed an strict ban on hiring the board of directors' immediate family members to positions where intelligence was essential.
The person or persons responsible for cancelling Firefly, in particular, have no business being in the field of entertainment. As soon as I hear they are no longer working at Fox, I'll tune in their shows again.
'Til then, not. It's not so much about a desire to hurt Fox as it is not to get screwed by these ignoramuses again. To quote Mr. Scott, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
Respectfully,
zoid
The eventual goal, as you yourself have said, is to change Fox. We want to get the people that don't understand quirky and interesting shows to either die, get fired, or change their minds. Right?
Now. How are we going to do this? If none of us watches any shows on that network at all, the only people that DO watch the shows on that network are the people that watch reality shows. The consequences are obvious - these people are going to look at the ratings and think, "well, no one's watching (insert good TV show here), so let's cancel it. Those shows never succeed." And they'll be right.
If you want to change that, if you want to make Fox air good shows, you have to show them that people watch good shows. And how are you going to do that if you don't ever watch anything? Principle is all well and good, but in this case, following the principle is defeating your own purpose.
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The Fox people regularly ring me up and tell me about a new deal or reduced subscription rate for their cable network and why I should have my cable reconnected.. My first question to them is always "has Firefly been resurrected yet?"...
I dont care what anyone says! I feel better for it!
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Originally posted by Calhoun:
The Fox people regularly ring me up and tell me about a new deal or reduced subscription rate for their cable network and why I should have my cable reconnected.. My first question to them is always "has Firefly been resurrected yet?"...
I dont care what anyone says! I feel better for it!
How great for you.
Thank you for helping to kill Wonderfalls.
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If we all refuse to watch crap like "The Swan" because that's what Fox is airing in place of good shows like "Firefly" and "Wonderfalls", maybe Fox will realize that we won't watch crap. Maybe they will bring back shows with plots. So let's boycott the crap and watch the good stuff. Since Fox is seriously lacking in good stuff, let's all watch other networks or DVDs of our favorite shows instead. And occasionally "24". Or
"The Simpsons".
"Dear diary, today I was pompous and my sister was crazy."
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