Thank Joss for Subtext (aka. Ho!Yay!)

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HAKEN

Wednesday, October 9, 2002 8:35 PM

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Originally posted by loonytoon:
I don`t believe in god so whether or not he hates you I don`t know, but I know the homosexuals are unnatural

I have friends who are homosexuals. As a matter of fact, I have friends who are bi-sexuals. I hate to think that they're un-natural because it would mean that I'm un-natural by association and that my wife and kids are deviants.

Besides, one can't really tell what my friends' sexual preferences are unless they specifically said so. I suspect that many of us are surrounded by people who are homosexuals and not even know it. Does that mean we are all un-natural for associating with them? See where I'm getting at?

Things that consenting adults do in their private moments are their business. It doesn't make them evil. It doesn't make them lesser than the rest of us.

The one exception to this in my book is pedophilia. I absolutely do not condone it. If there is anything in this world that's un-natural, it's that.

Anyway...I apologize for the slight rant.

BACCHUS68

Wednesday, October 9, 2002 9:24 PM

You now I don't really see Mal or Jayne as Gay at all. Inara can most likely be BI. but I agree with you on one thing.

1:Simon is so Gay.

Not that there's anything worng with it. I personally wish the Bi subtext between Kaylee and Inara would be explored because well they are both really Really hot but as far as Simon I don't know why but I really do think he's gay. And I'm not talking slash fictiony type or even just old subtext. Did you notice that except for River the ONLY Person saffron didn't hit on was Simon.

I think Joss is going to keep Simon's sexuality a secret for awhile and then unless the Fox censors have a cow he will come out as a gay character in a future episode of the show.

I do think thought that Joss will have a hell of alot tougher time getting his ideas past the suits at fox then he did at WB and UPN though. Time will tell but I doubt you will see a Mal/Simon thing unless your dealing with fanfiction of some Spike type stalker thing from Simon towards mal.

Book I have no Idea what his sexuality is but since I don't think he's shown signs either way he could be gay. It would be a weird twist to have a gay priest. Wait what am I saying having a non-gay priest would be the twist. I mean having a gay priest character on the show.

Actually the controversy that would rile up from the catholics and the whole moral majority if that was the case would probably jack the firefly ratings up 2 points. Note to Joss: make Book the gay characer on the show and start a romance with Simon so you can get better ratings.

On and for the guys put a Kaylee/Inara sexual lovemaking teaching thingy going too :)

Bac.

ZICSOFT

Wednesday, October 9, 2002 10:23 PM

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Originally posted by Haken:

The one exception to this in my book is pedophilia. I absolutely do not condone it. If there is anything in this world that's un-natural, it's that.

Pedophilia isn't an exception -- it's just an obvious case of a common moral rule: it's very wrong to gratify yourself sexually at the expense of an unwilling partner. And even worse to do so if the partner is somebody who can't say no for any reason, including lack of maturity.

Of course, people are more put off by sexual abuse of children than by other kinds of sexual abuse. Which is hardly suprising -- most people have a strong desire to see children safe and happy.

JOSS, WHERE'S MY CHECK???!!!

JAYNESGIRLFRIEND

Wednesday, October 9, 2002 11:39 PM

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Originally posted by bacchus68:
You now I don't really see Mal or Jayne as Gay at all. Inara can most likely be BI. but I agree with you on one thing.

1:Simon is so Gay.

Not that there's anything worng with it. I personally wish the Bi subtext between Kaylee and Inara would be explored because well they are both really Really hot but as far as Simon I don't know why but I really do think he's gay. And I'm not talking slash fictiony type or even just old subtext. Did you notice that except for River the ONLY Person saffron didn't hit on was Simon.

I think Joss is going to keep Simon's sexuality a secret for awhile and then unless the Fox censors have a cow he will come out as a gay character in a future episode of the show.

Bac.

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. For being the only one to take this thread in the spirit in which it was intended. But in case I haven't been specific enough:

I don't care if anyone on the show turns out to be gay. Nope, not really. I like to look for little things. Little subtextual notes in the body of the episode; an ambiguous line, a smoldering look that whether intended to or not might give the viewer the impression that a specific character might be gay.
For example the "experiment" line Inara said to Kaylee during The Train Job. Or just the way Simon looks at Mal like the Captain's the next dish in a gourmet meal.

Why? Because its fun! If you do it right its fun! And doesn't devolve into either religious or political discussions. Cause I honestly couldn't give a great leaping crap what some small minded bigot like loonytoons(seriously, you have the Yosemite Sam mudflaps don't you) thinks of people who live "alternative" lifestyles. As a bisexual female myself I'm more than comfortable with my sexual identity and defending it is really not much fun.

But you know what is fun? Gathering subtextual evidence that supports the theory that Simon is gay! That's what floats my boat.

If you don't agree with me please restrain yourself to threads that aren't this one. And if you do, for God's sake post something fun and save me from my angry madness.

Here endeth the rant. I feel better now.

"I was gonna get me an ear, too." - Jayne

WOLFRAM

Thursday, October 10, 2002 12:11 PM

OK, getting away from the stupidity and back to the topic, I went hopping off searching for slashy ships from eppie one. My theory: Mal and Jayne, long-together couple in my world. Jayne's Joan Collinsy tude towards Simon is just a cover for an affair that they're having, and Jayne's keeping it a secret from Mal, who he really loves.

Burn the ships and boil the fics, but you can't take the slash from meeeeeeeeeeeee! LOL!

LOONYTOON

Thursday, October 10, 2002 4:47 PM

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Originally posted by bacchus68:

Did you notice that except for River the ONLY Person saffron didn't hit on was Simon.

On and for the guys put a Kaylee/Inara sexual lovemaking teaching thingy going too :)
.

Okay, whether or not I like gays, Saffron did not hit on Book, Kaylee, Zoe, Simon, River, or Jayne.
Matter of fact, she insulted Jayne and Zoe.

And girls have been doing each others hair for thousands of years, I don`t see why in 500 years it will be a sighn of being gay. I have even heard the exact phrase that you are talking about, with regard to HAIR not sex.

And why would guys like lesbians, it ticks me off more than male gays, cuz its a little annoying for cute girls not to like guys!

ZICSOFT

Thursday, October 10, 2002 4:53 PM

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Originally posted by loonytoon:

And why would guys like lesbians, it ticks me off more than male gays, cuz its a little annoying for cute girls not to like guys!

Jeez, guy, you get "annoyed" awfully easily. Do you expect the whole world to re-arrange itself to fit your prejudices?

JOSS, WHERE'S MY CHECK???!!!

LOONYTOON

Thursday, October 10, 2002 5:07 PM

All I`m saying is that I don`t see any reason why two cute girls being lesbians would imprees straight guys, I would rather see two straight guys getting lucky with two cute girls. And just food for thought, about %87 of child molesters molest same-sex children. Not an insult, just reporting the facts. Call `em like you see `em.

JAYNESGIRLFRIEND

Thursday, October 10, 2002 6:08 PM

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Originally posted by Wolfram:
OK, getting away from the stupidity and back to the topic, I went hopping off searching for slashy ships from eppie one. My theory: Mal and Jayne, long-together couple in my world.

In the unaired pilot we get to see Mal bossing Jayne around a lot. My theory is that while they're a very devoted couple Jayne is afraid if the others know he's gay it'll undermine his big scary guy vibe so Mal has the ultimate blackmail material to get Jayne to do whatever he wants. Yeah, I've given this way too much thought.

"I was gonna get me an ear, too." - Jayne

LIVINGIMPAIRED

Thursday, October 10, 2002 6:10 PM

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Originally posted by loonytoon:
Quote:
Originally posted by bacchus68:

Did you notice that except for River the ONLY Person saffron didn't hit on was Simon.

On and for the guys put a Kaylee/Inara sexual lovemaking teaching thingy going too :)
.

Okay, whether or not I like gays, Saffron did not hit on Book, Kaylee, Zoe, Simon, River, or Jayne.
Matter of fact, she insulted Jayne and Zoe.

And girls have been doing each others hair for thousands of years, I don`t see why in 500 years it will be a sighn of being gay. I have even heard the exact phrase that you are talking about, with regard to HAIR not sex.

Hate to admit this one, but I think that LT actually has a valid point here.

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