Problems with Simon's story?
POSTED BY: cait
UPDATED: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 23:32
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This has probably been discussed already but..
In the first ep, Simon is talking about how he got River away from the alliance..
"ZOE
How did you do it?
SIMON
Money. And, and luck. For two years,
I couldn't get near her. Then I was
contacted by some men, some underground
movement. They-they said she was
in danger, that-that the government was...
playing with her brain. If I funded
them they could sneak her out in cryo.
Get her to Persephone, and from there,
I could take her... wherever. "
...But in the movie it showed him IN the room with River.. and he threw that thing or whatever and the guys passed out.. or whatever XD and they basically ran out.. It wasnt anyone simon 'hired' or anything.. was it?
and in the movie she like.. walked out and wasnt in cryo or anything.. hmmmm
any thoughts? am I missing something?
~Cait
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The novelization reveals that after escaping with River into the ship of his "contacts", Simon has her put into cryo in order to basically keep her safe and undetected during the trip to Persephone.
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I remember a troll on the old universal boards complaining that there was a contradiction, when there really isn't.
He never said he wasn't involved in the rescue plan, we just assumed from his mannerism.
Besides, it was never shown on-screen in the tv show. We just heard a vague story told to the crew. So, it's not exactly a Solo-Shot-First situation by any means ;)
"I do the job... and then I get paid. Go run your little world."
-Malcolm Reynolds
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Two-fold issue here.
Simon never claims he wasn't there if you take the words literally. Someone got him the uniform, the clearance and the knockout bomb. Plus, there was a ship waiting at the top of the airshaft for him.
On a practical RL level, I think Joss was going to introduce us to an underground movement at some point, but was forced to fold things up tight in the movie. Mr Universe has always struck me as far too much of McGuffin, coming out of nowhere. I think he would have appeared in the series at some point, as a contact.
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Yeah i think that's just a solution for the movie to have the uninitiated understand whats going on.
However it did annoy me a little so i just substituted my own explanation.
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Ah.. sorry im not trolling.. i was just wondering. :x :3
I didn't know there was a novel o.o; i might have go pick that up..
Thanks! ^^
~Cait
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A couple of points.
First, the novel is not considered canon.
Second, Joss said outright at the time of the movie's release that when writing the script he simply up and contradicted what Simon said in the series, because depicting other random people rescuing River and then never seeing them again didn't make much sense and wasn't particularly compelling.
Third, he did however also say that h had come to adopt the "fan wank" which said that in the series Simon simply wasn't telling the crew the entire truth, but he hadn't yet figured out or decided why.
So, the reality is that when written, the movie simply and knowingly contradicted Simon's story in the series.
It's just that the later reality is that Joss decided after the fact to land on the "Simon kind of lied in the series" idea.
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"I beat up a couple of false b!Xes earlier."
-- Joss, 28 June 2007
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Ohhhh.. I never thought of it that way..
Prolly if Mal + the others knew HE Was the one that went and got her.. 'stole her from the govt' or whatever.. they might have looked at him differently..
thanks! ^^
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"Ah.. sorry im not trolling.. i was just wondering. :x :3"
I know ;) I'm just saying, there was one who constantly bickered about this issue.
I figured why Joss did it, and I know it went against what his original timeline/story, as the creator, but I'm also saying there is no real contradiction to worry about. It wasn't shown on screen; only told as a vague story.
Works for me.
Truth be told, I didn't like Mr. Universe. Too much of a plot device. He really needed more of an introduction than "I think we need to call Mr. Universe"
"I do the job... and then I get paid. Go run your little world."
-Malcolm Reynolds
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Quote:
Originally posted by theonetruebix:
First, the novel is not considered canon.
But it does give a very logical explanation that smooths out a seeming contradiction. And since Joss hasn't commented further, it's the only official explanation we have.
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