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Quote:You seem to be indicating that Israel instigated aggressive wars for the purpose of claiming additional territory. Would you please cite references?
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
You actually *bought* that line of crap ?
History ain't ever, never, ever just that black and white simple, and the turf tells the tale.
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
It was like NY, Mass, Penna, Md, Va, NJ, Georgia all attacking Delaware for Christ sakes...
Except Delaware is full of pansies...and lax corporation laws.
I'm just sayin...
H
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Originally posted by Hero:Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
It was like NY, Mass, Penna, Md, Va, NJ, Georgia all attacking Delaware for Christ sakes...
Except Delaware is full of pansies...and lax corporation laws.
I'm just sayin...H
And you say it so well! lol
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Leadb, just ask Ben-Gurion.. he wasn't shy about his aims, not one bit, and further leaders followed in his footsteps, in short they belive that they are Gods chosen, and that is THEIR land by right, and they mean to take it.
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Famous-Zionist-Quotes/Story695
.html
You're very unlikely to find a non-partisan source, given how polarised the issue is, however, even pro-zionist orgs make no real secret of the intented agenda.
http://www.zionism-israel.com/maps/Israel_Maps.htm
They might be slicker about it now, but is, and always has been, their intent to take what they think God owes em, and woe unto them who stand in the way.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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I found the palastineremembered site to be a bit disjointed. However, it sheds some light on the '48 war, which, to be honest, I was not particularly aware. I didn't find much that made sense about the drivers for the '67 war, which is really what I had in mind when I asked the question (not being particularly aware of the '48).
So I went where you love to hate...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6_day_war
Which, to summarize brutally:
Israel claimed to fear an imminent invasion to justify initiating the war against Egypt. Reading between the lines, it is entirely possible the Israeli government pushed the situation toward this end; yet retained 'plausible deny-ability'. Very interesting, certainly not a perspective I've heard before.
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Yeah, finding any honest answers to anything related to the whole mess is well nigh impossible, and history is never as clean or clear as some would paint it, specially when you got countless factions, even factions within factions, all with some kind of axe to grind.
The only realistic indicator is the tale of the turf, historical progression maps show a pretty obvious expansion, and in combination with the religious bent and aims of Zionist and Likud Party elements, it's pretty clear that a substantial portion of Isreals government wants that land and means to take it.
Conversely, the Arab folk feel somewhat betrayed, as prior to 1948, they had a long history of offering Jews sanctuary, pre-dating even the Medina Compact, and even from Christian persecutions and pogroms.... to see them in alliance with Christians and killing their people offends them on a deep cultural level cause they take the principle of hospitality and respect for it more seriously than we do - but come to cases in the present day, they're out of patience and would gleefully exterminate the entire nation, a lot of em.
There's no easy answers to be found, nor any innocent players in the game, not after so many years of brutal and bitter conflict marked by some of the ugliest atrocities since WWII by both sides... but in the end, that expansionist agenda is something no one wants to talk about, and no one wants to call them on - and I think it's well past time that someone did.
It's unacceptable, period... and hiding behind the whole were-so-oppressed card doesn't fly with me, not when 30 BILLION of our tax dollars is going into their military budget, nuh-uh.
You got any decent answers, feel free to share, cause I *sure* as hell don't, guy.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Another interesting thing to look at, not sure of the accuracy... although much of it did happen
look up google earth, someone put a template in of the location of all the settlements that the Israelis bulldozed from 1948-1960's
After of course they convinced the people living there to leave.....
Not really a looking for peace kind of action.
Arafat took alot of heat later on, making the right for those people and their decedents to move back a sticking point in negotiations and Israel flat out refused, while taking in Jewish immirgrants as quickly as they could...
Immirgration as a form of warfare...
Not since the Americans moved west
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AP Newswire, Warsaw, September 16, 1941.
No one seems to hear the cries from Warsaw enough to act, despite the reports that talk about imminent economic collapse, dangerous food shortages, total aid dependency and impending humanitarian disaster. Neither the cries nor the reports appear in the headlines or news alerts in our mainstream media. And, while the statistics make shocking reading when they do emerge, it is the cries that we should be hearing because they come from people like us--real flesh and blood people who bleed, feel pain and grieve. They are the cries that give rise to the statistics, the cries of Jews no less human and no less vulnerable than any one of us would be as prisoners of Germany’s merciless occupation.
For all the recent news about the infighting that has gripped internal Jewish politics, particularly between those the German authorities placed as puppet regimes to govern in the ghetto and the resistance fighters, there is no mistaking under whose suffocating matrix of control, the Jews are actually forced to live. Germany has threatened the Jews right to exist on their own land since it was created and it has no more disengaged from Warsaw than it has from Lotz or the other German controlled ghettos. Instead, Germany has made a prison of Warsaw and completely sealed it off from the rest of Poland and the outside world. Deeming it a place too dangerous to visit, Germany likes to portray the Jews as a violent people whose acts of resistance threaten Germany's existence and necessitate the punitive measures that the SS takes against them. However, according to international law, resistance is a legitimate response of an occupied people and collective punishment by an Occupying Power against a civilian population is prohibited. The outrage in all this is the world's acquiescence to Germany's suppression of the Jews and the oppressive force it uses to reduce them to a sub-human existence. This cuts to the core of our humanity and it is simply not enough to say, "there but for the grace of God go I".
Grim as the facts and figures are, they can never make us feel the agony of the mother who does not have a grain of rice left to feed her starving children, the desperation of the father who cannot get his sick child through the closed border crossing for treatment in Egypt, the terror of the child who wets the bed every night wondering if the soldiers will come again to ransack the house, the constant fear of schoolchildren knowing that even school is no haven from soldiers' bullets and mortar fire, the despairing distress of families who are not even given time to save their belongings as tanks come to tear down their homes, the desolation of thousands of people with no jobs to go to, the helplessness of thousands more who have received no wages for months and the wretchedness of the starving families who depend on the jobless and the unpaid. An entire population is in shut down--more than a million stories of agonising pain and overwhelming grief. But, no one is hearing the cries.
The shortages are getting worse by the day. Food is running out, fuel is running out, medicines are running out. There has been almost no electricity since Germany shut down the Warsaw ghetto’s only power source. Without electricity, water cannot be pumped. Without fuel, sewage cannot be pumped and the sewage is spilling out onto the streets contaminating the meagre water supplies left. The stench of open sewage hangs over every neighbourhood increasing the risk of disease and contagion. Running water is a luxury few have now, most having to queue to buy it. Children go out with plastic bottles and buckets to get their rations of water when and if supplies arrive. There is no refrigeration for fresh foods and in any case no fresh food is available. Even a staple like wheat is running out as the 600 tons of wheat needed daily is not getting through the SS controlled commercial crossing gate. Wherever one looks, there are faces of despair, but the very human cries from the depths of all this mise
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Gee, sounds very familar, doesn't it ?
I've said all I need to, on this one.
-F
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Well seeing that you took a news story about Gazza and globally replaced the names (Israelis with Germans for example) that is hardly surprising. Few pointers when doing that in future -- proof read. A father in Walsaw is not likely to be bothered about a closed border with Egypt -- bit far for Poles to travel. UN agencies dont exist in 1941 to be concerned about anything.
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