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POSTED BY: GinoBiffaroni
UPDATED: Saturday, August 25, 2007 14:45
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Quote:Every Jew-hating Nazi neaderthal ya mean...right?
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Editorial......
Everyone has a opinion, Israel not being a valid state is one.
Quote:Yes...if they print it in the News section, and not in the editorial or op-ed pages.
Should I slam every newspaper that prints Ann Coulter as propaganda?
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:Quote:Every Jew-hating Nazi neaderthal ya mean...right?
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Editorial......
Everyone has a opinion, Israel not being a valid state is one.Quote:Yes...if they print it in the News section, and not in the editorial or op-ed pages.
Should I slam every newspaper that prints Ann Coulter as propaganda?
My grandparents on my mothers side were in German camps, ( Polish Military ), I do not consider myself a Jew Hater either, but I think creating Israel was a huge mistake. Hero was dismissing Al Jazera because of some of their Editorials as being a propaganda network, and as you and I agree editorials do not label a news source as propaganda, editing or reporting false news does
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Gino,
I didn't intend to imply that statement to you personally...sorry if it looked that way...more towards the Pirate News, Skinheads & Achminajhads of the world.
As far as Israel's creation "being a mistake"...I mean it's 50+years already...it's not debatable or relevant anymore. It just IS...and they have fought at least 6 wars to earn the right to keep it.
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but which side is in a better position to disengage ?
That's a big problem, cause Isreal has even less diplomatic credibility than WE do, and that's sayin something.
Mostly the problem is, a ceasefire is called, and the IDF doesn't even pause to reload, screaming all the while, when the return fire starts picking up again, how these pesky lesser people didn't lay down arms like they were told.
And every time the UN goes in to try and help hold a ceasefire, they've taken fire from, or been shelled, by th IDF often quite deliberately.
Journalists go in to bring it to the worlds attention, the IDF shoots em.
Are there going to be occasional zealots on either side who'll cap a round ? sure.
Is that really reason to throw out a ceasefire utterly ?
There's also the problem of Isreal dictating Palestines government to them in spite of what they want, and attempting to do so to other neighboring nations as well.
(Syria, for example)
Imma take some flak for sayin it so, but the painful fact is that Isreal wants peace with the rest of the middle east about as much, and in the same way, as Hitler wanted peace with europe.
They've *become* the very monster they once fled, and Palestine looks like 1940's warsaw, with ghettos and refugee camps that with even the smallest further push, could turn into worse.
I don't begrudge their right to exist, even if we did steal other peoples land and give it to them, I begrude them pillaging more from the people that initially gave them sanctuary all throughout history all the way back to the Medina Compact.
Those "six wars" you mention Jong, were mostly conflicts of conquest and attempts to take more territory by force - there's no "right" about that.
It's wrong, and imma call it wrong, be offended if ya like - it's about time folks called em on this shit, they've been hiding behind that whole oppressed bullshit for far too long.
Just ponder what our response would be if Mexico started forcibly colonising Texas on us, and you might just understand a little bit.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Gino,
I didn't intend to imply that statement to you personally...sorry if it looked that way...more towards the Pirate News, Skinheads & Achminajhads of the world.
As far as Israel's creation "being a mistake"...I mean it's 50+years already...it's not debatable or relevant anymore. It just IS...and they have fought at least 6 wars to earn the right to keep it.
Problem is any solution has to look at some of the injustice caused by that mistake, perhaps the mistake has to at least be acknowledged, something our civilization is not good at.
As Versailles caused WW2, Israel has been the core of nearly every conflict in that region since its inception, a two state solution will not work when one of those states exists only in name, with all the control to the other. And in addition any long term solution must have these people standing on their own, neither would survive without foreign aid at the moment...
Another source of conflict is water, Israel uses something like %200 more per person than its neighbors ( I could go looking for the numbers if you like ) and have in the past used military force to stop irrigation projects in neighboring countrys to protect their monopoly.
If winning war gives you the right to exist, why prop up one side of that fight. In 73 the Israeli airforce suffered %180 losses in aircraft, without aid from the US they likely would have lost, thereby validating the Palestian position ?.....
I don't think so, a way has to be found for them to live in one country. To achieve that both side will have to cave alot...
The Alliance said they were gonna waltz through Serenity Valley. And we choked 'em with those words. We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Just ponder what our response would be if Mexico started forcibly colonising Texas on us, and you might just understand a little bit.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
More like Europe handing New Jersey over to become the homeland of the scientogists, and they then start to force out anyone who disagreed and started a massive scientogist immrigration policy to fill the houses of the people they just drove out.....
Then they start pissing off the neighbors
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Funny that this was on my mind today - I spotted a totally awesome peace overture that come from a direction most unexpected....
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http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/895893.html
Jewish-Hawaiian surfing guru donates surfboards to Gazans
Last update - 17:05 21/08/2007
By The Associated Press
An 86-year-old Jewish surfing guru from Hawaii donated on Tuesday 12 surfboards to Gaza's small surfing community, in a gesture he hoped would get Israelis and Palestinians catching the same peace wave.
"God will surf with the devil, if the waves are good," retired doctor Dorian Paskowitz said Tuesday. "When a surfer sees another surfer with a board, he can't help but say something that brings them together."
Paskowitz emerged shirtless at the Israel-Gaza crossing after handing over the dozen boards to Gazan surfers waiting on the other side. He said he was spurred into action after reading a story about two Gaza surfers who couldn't enjoy the wild waves off the coast because they had only one board to share between them.
Arthur Rashkovan, a 28-year-old surfer from Tel Aviv, said Paskowitz's project was part of a larger effort called Surfing for Peace, aimed at bringing Middle East surfers closer together. He said eight-time world surfing champion Kelly Slater, who is of Syrian descent, is expected to arrive in Israel in October to take part in the drive.
Paskowitz, whom Rashkovan called a 'guru' to Israeli surfers, has surfed in Israel several times over the past five decades.
Paskowitz, a father of nine, served in the Navy during World War II, practiced family medicine for more than half a century and has published books on surfing and health. He said he's surfed for 75 years, in locations all over the world, and ranks the waves off the coasts of Israel and Gaza as among the world's best.
"It's really quite remarkable how good they are for modern surfing," he said.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Those "six wars" you mention Jong, were mostly conflicts of conquest and attempts to take more territory by force - there's no "right" about that.
Oh how you've been poorly educated about Israel, oh self-proclaimed resident historian.
2 biggest "wars"...1967 Six Day War : Israel was sneak-attacked by forces of UAR...the short-lived alliance of Egypt, Syria, Lebanon etc. Moshe Dyan & Co. completely surrounded all the attacking forces...could have wiped them all out of existence but didn't out of mercy. Wouldn't / shouldn't have been countries called Egypt, Syria etc by all rights after their un-provoked agression and sneak attack against Israel. Jump ahead 6 years to the Yom Kippor War of 1973...AGAIN ISRAEL was SNEAK ATTACKED by Egypt and Arab allies...on their highest holiest Holiday ..(nice touch, Arab scum )....Once again Israel, this time with Sharon et al, whipped those cowardly women-killers in no time, and again had them completely at their mercy...and once again Israel let them all live and slither away on their bellies back to home so they could beat their wives and rape their daughters out of their bitter frustration at being inferior human beings and seeing all their comrades die at the hands of the dreaded JEW.... Israel did occupy add'l lands after that...only as a result of those 2 WARS STARTED BY ARAB COWARDS...forcing Israel to improve their overall defenses for their citizens...to GUARD AGAINST FUTURE UN-PROVOKED SNEAK ATTACKS BY THE VASTLY-SUPERIOR FORCES & VASTLY SUPERIOR RESOURCED ARAB dictatorships and slave-states. It was like NY, Mass, Penna, Md, Va, NJ, Georgia all attacking Delaware for Christ sakes...and all Israel ever kept for it's un-asked-for troubles was the boardwalk in Atlantic City. ...And prior to all of this they had to originally fight against Great Britain, Egypt, etc in their mini wars of post UN ratification of statehood...circa 1947, 1948, and 1949... because some folks basically just couldn't handle it. I don't personally understand all the hatred towards Israel from America...our 2 countries have the same basics...freedom, democracy, women's rights, etc etc...what Arab country has that? I just think it's good 'ole fashioned Jew hatred...plenty of that here in USA during WWII...plenty of folks just adored what the Nazis and just about everybody else did to Jews all over Europe and the Balkans....fun times for the pyschopathic, illiterate, bad-breathed mob of trogladytic neaderthals...and lots of folks today are jealous that they missed out on those cherished fun times.
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
You actually *bought* that line of crap ?
History ain't ever, never, ever just that black and white simple, and the turf tells the tale.
I dunno whether you're just trolling or really that gullible, and that's kinda sad, in it's own way, innit ?
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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All facts butthead.....facts lived through & witnessed in my life....aka real history....and BTW, I wouldn't have written it if I didn't believe it....as opposed to you that I now don't believe to be honest and sincere.
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