Beginning of BDM

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LAWMAN

Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:50 PM

I'm sure this question has been asked and answered. I still don't know the answer.
In the beginning of BDM, the segment where Simon is getting River out of Alliance facility; is this part before Serenity first double episode where Simon first brings River on board Serenity? or after the last series episode, did River get caught by Alliance, and somehow Simon and Mal and crew rescue River in opening sequence of BDM? I'm thinking that the rescue scene is how Simon first rescued River and then froze her and brought her on board Serenity.
I need to know and be confirmed.

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NBZ

Wednesday, July 25, 2007 11:00 PM

Most likely before the series. This is implied (as it is to get newcomers up to speed), but I don't think there is any proclamation about this.

The ship that rescues them is not Serenity.

(On the other hand... if it is after recapture... it could make more sense for the "8 Months!" remark...)

THEONETRUEBIX

Wednesday, July 25, 2007 11:20 PM

It's a pre-series sequence of River's original rescue. Joss stated that long ago.

SIGMANUNKI

Wednesday, July 25, 2007 11:58 PM

Obviously pre-series. But, this is a point of contention in the community. Some of us view this as a discontinuity to what Simon said in the pilot ep and Joss's "explanation" as trite.

If you feel like knowing why, please search the archives before asking questions:

http://fireflylabs.ca/misc/fffsearch.html

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LAWMAN

Thursday, July 26, 2007 12:56 AM

ah, civil til the last.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, July 26, 2007 1:24 AM

I didn't buy it either, but the movie had to start some how.

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THEONETRUEBIX

Thursday, July 26, 2007 4:36 AM

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Obviously pre-series. But, this is a point of contention in the community. Some of us view this as a discontinuity to what Simon said in the pilot ep and Joss's "explanation" as trite.

Joss' explanation isn't "trite" just because some people choose not to agree with it.

The explanation, for those not caught up on this long-standing issue yet, is that for the movie the rescue didn't work if we were watching some random people we'd never see again performing the rescue. So Joss wrote it was Simon himself.

After the fact, Joss adopted the same fanwank many of us out here used to address the inconsistency between the "Simon paid people to get River out" of the series and "Simon got her out" of the movie:

When Simon told the crew, in the series pilot, the story of River and her rescue, he didn't tell them the whole truth, because he was standing in a room full of criminals and strangers, and figured better to withhold some information from them so he himself didn't seem like a threat to them.

Fanwank, yes. But it's also, like it or not, canon.

Well, sort of. "He lied to the crew" is canon now. Why he did it isn't canon, because the last thing Joss said on the mater was that he hadn't figured out why he lied, yet.

WYTCHCROFT

Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:06 AM

I always suspected that Simon knew more than he was telling - his vague talk of an underground - himself being 'gifted' etc... but of course joss was just laying ground work - i bet there's many a red herring in Buffy S1 - but he got 7 years to work it through.

i wouldn't probably try to write it but i suspect some of the river / simon issues are being worked out by joss through the Fray and HER brother relationship in the Fray comics. And that is a dark one - a lotta F.F. fans shy from the potentials that joss would probaly excavate.

FREELANCERTEX

Thursday, August 16, 2007 2:51 AM

Whoa wait, what is BDM? I keep seeing it and I'm confused.

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Thursday, August 16, 2007 2:54 AM

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Originally posted by freelancertex:
Whoa wait, what is BDM? I keep seeing it and I'm confused.

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