To save America, we need another 9/11
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UPDATED: Thursday, May 23, 2024 06:04
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See what I mean?
No. Please elaborate, if you could.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by Righteous9:
YOUR president is claiming Executive privilege on everything Auraptor. YOUR party is happy to remain blissfully ignorant of information. YOUR party doesn't want to govern, apparently, it wants to be taken care of by a daddy government. YOU want to abdicate responsibility over OUR democracy. We cannot check our politicians if we have no facts. We can't do our jobs as citizens. Apparently you are fine with that. Why do you hate our freedoms?
Let's see. Which President hid secret FBI files in their personal offices of 100's of political rivals, and then balked at even knowing how they got there ?
Which 'First Lady' kept stalling a Grand Jury order to present specific papers concerning billing records from Rose Law Firm, and then they somehow appear in her office, with her finger prints all over them?
No,it's YOUR party which wants to drag out partisan investigation after investigation, screaming about Impeachment since all the way back just after Bush was elected, all for the sake of 'getting even'. Your party doesn't want to Govern, they want to rule, and when they can't do that, they want to humiliate and ridicule our Commander in Chief...even during WAR TIME!! When there are legitimate perils to deal with, you a-holes simply want to play politics for the sake of playing games.
None of MY freedoms have been taken away. Have yours ? Oh, you mean the 'freedom' to attack the sitting President when he's of a different political party ? That freedom?
Sorry, you'll need much more than that.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Dude,
your party did a 30 million dollar investigation. It controled the senate. It impeached. Kudos to it. With all of its digging it didn't nail the Clinton's down. My guess is there was probably wrong-doing, but it didn't stick. If you can't nail somebody for it, you can't nail them for it. But you should be at least fucking looking. Inexcusable that the best thing you can do is point back at Clinton. What I want to know is, where is your righteous indignation now? Where is your effort to forward open government in this country? Why are you okay with shit that erodes checks and balances when a President of your party does it?
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During wartime? And when exactly is that little window going to close Auraptor? And why, with such sweeping priveleges awarded to the commander in Chief by people like you, should we ever expect to see an end to this war on terror, which Bush himself said we can't ever win.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Allie- Are you saying is that we should openly hope for what Hitler created covertly: a convenient enemy to unite us? Don't you find that a bit scary- that we would potentially value being "united" over being moral and just?
FWIW, IMHO except for blacks who have not yet been fully integrated and STILL face a lot of prejudice, first/second generation immigrants, and minorities of some religions, I don't see "ethnic heritage" as a major cause of our divisiveness. Also, division of opinion is not necessarily a bad thing. ALL nations contain diverse views.
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Always look upstream.
I didn't say hope. I said exactly what I said- America is so reactionary, that to actually do something, we need a focus. That focus could be a car crash, a terrorist attack, or a hurricane. We have- rather openly-simply refused to do something until we are given some type of proof or galvaniver.
I never said "Hope". I never would- if being fractured and disjointed means three thousand less folk to mourn, then I'd gladly have that.
All I said was that that would be what it would take- we, as a whole, are so busy fighting eachother, that an outside threat is most likely the only thing that could make us stop for a minute.
Even our countrys bloody NAME is meant so that we have some disjointedness- The United States of America. By definition, that means that, although we work together for our collective good, we are first bound to State, and only secondly to Country. When you ask someone where they're from, most like they'd tell you the State. I know I would. We take pride that we are from a STATE of America, but not necessarily America itself.
Hell, that was what very nearly killed us at the beginning- People from the same StAtes wanted to fight together, first and foremost.
As to the second thing- Diversiveness and suchlike... Touche. It very well may strengthen us- or not. We won't know until that scenario actually comes up, and, by then, we'd most likely be fucked anyway.
Ja.
-Danny
We move for all mankind,
A million miles from everything we've ever know...
We're on their hearts and minds,
A million heads are bowed to bring us safely home...
Hemmed in by emptiness,
A million ways that everything could be undone...
THRICE RULES!!!!!!!!!
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See, that's where everyone screws it up....
I got no problem with what anyone else does or believes, hell, more power to em - it's when they wanna force ME to do or believe, that is unacceptable.
They slam THEIR taxes on MY smokes, I gotta issue with that, they make THIER churches tax exempt in spite of the blatant political influance and make every effort to bend the law against any other belief system.
They want THEIR bullshit DCMA to apply to MY property I purchased, and use on MY land, and worst of all, they want THEIR wiretaps on MY phone line and internet.... they want in MY personal business.
Yanno, I don't even know my neighbors name, he don't know mine, and in a very short conversation as we put out the trash one night, we indicated to each other that we like it just that way.
I don't force or coerce other people to do, say, or believe anydamnthing, that's up to them, and all I ever ask is that same respect, but no one seems willing to give it.
Is it really too much to ask other folk and their damned governments to keep the hell out of my life and business ?
Cause that is, in the end, what it comes down to.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Quote:Nope. Your're a happy prisoner.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
None of MY freedoms have been taken away.
I am not a number, I am a FREE MAN!
Ha ha ha ha Chrisisall
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Quote:I consider myself left of center, and I'm not up for womb to tomb. FWIW.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
The Left is , by definition, womb to tomb Nanny state. Might not have been always, but that's what it is now. And I'm sure as hell not up for 'different' simply to be different. It has to have some substance, some MEANING. I'm all for the Fair Tax, but despite Ron Paul being for it, he's a nut case. Might have some good points, but he's the Howie Dean for the GOP.
So, Fair Tax, or at least keep the tax cuts where they are until we get the Fair Tax.
Let's agree to start agreeing there, ok?
The Fair Tax? Only vaguely have heard of it. I presume this is a reference to...
http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_main
Ok, I'm all for abolishing IRS and it's complexity. I have no objection to replacing it with a sales tax, other than it tends to be a bit regressive in principle; of course, with all the loop holes, it's not clear to me that the income tax is 'genuinely' progressive.
Looking at the website, these statements bother me a bit...
# Enables retirees to keep their entire pension
# Enables workers to keep their entire paycheck
Let's be honest, it doesn't much matter if they take the money up front or on the 'spend' side, they are taking the money. The only advantage is if the tax is 'fairer' and/or more effeciently collected; which is the important part. Just bugs me when they start trying to include irrelevent parts.
In any event, it seems to have some provision for reducing or eliminating the taxes for the poorly paid. So... sure.
And no, I also don't go for different's sake; it has to be meaningful. The point being, if we simply go with 'same old' discussion, nothing changes.
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Quote:Yes. I have been informed by my doctor's office they will provide records at the request of the federal government, and no warrant is required. In fact, they tell me they are not obliged to tell me my records have been provided if they ever are. To the best of my knowledge, they haven't been, but what the heck do I know?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
None of MY freedoms have been taken away. Have yours ?
President Bush has signed an executive order that if you should help someone who has helped someone who has helped someone who is believed to be a terrorist, they can seize all your assets. So far, so good for me. I basically have decided to stop contributing to any group smaller than, say, the American Red Cross as it is simply too hard to checkout who is help who with what. Even then, it still seems like a risky proposition.
I've lost the freedom to speak in private with those I wish to on the phone; no court orders are needed for wire taps.
You may not value these freedoms, but I did.
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Hopefully we suffer a 9/11 attack every year and we can be eternally pissed off at everyone!
We can all enjoy our 5 minutes hate every morning and in a generation or two we won't even question the Constitutionality of illegal wiretapping because there is no word for Constitution in Newspeak.
Boy, that would be Double Plus Good!
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Rightious9 wrote: ..... With all of its digging it didn't nail the Clinton's down. My guess is there was probably wrong-doing, but it didn't stick. If you can't nail somebody for it, you can't nail them for it. But you should be at least fucking looking.
Interesting how you glossed over the 2 topics I brought up. There was 'some wrong doing' when hundreds of secret FBI files suddenly 'show up' at the White House, but no one knows how ???
Fuck it , I give up.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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