To save America, we need another 9/11
POSTED BY: CrevanReaver
UPDATED: Thursday, May 23, 2024 06:04
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Forgive me if I'm restating what other folks have said here- reading over this thread was too depressing to read past the first ten or so posts.
"Another 9/11 would bring us together", huh?
True. America is, fundementally, a reactionary society- we always try to play the good guy in an argument, being the first to take the punch before we hit back.
Would it be a good thing? Was two thousand+ people burning/suffocating/being crushed to death a good thing in the first place? Or the thousands now who are dying sue to the shit kicked up in the air?
Sad thing is, this dude, whoever he is, struck a chord. America is, by and large, always splintered between amazingly different groups. We are a piecemeal country of immigrants. Each and every one of us, besides a woefully small population of Natives, is an immigrant, son of an immigrant, son of a son of an immigrant... the list goes on. This creates a rather interesting divide- we are torn between the nationality of being American and whatever else Nationalities we have in us (I know I have at least six, probably more).
Add to that little tidbit that we have a superiority complex (OR "Little Brother" complex, if you will) with the rest of the world, stemming from our relativly infantile age, a measly two hundred thirty odd years; AND we love to see the good guy win.
As one meself (An American), I know; we simply can NOT accept that bad things can happen to good people. It's almost laughable at how much faith we have that, someway, somehow, the 'Good Guy' will win. Feh.
We forget, however, that, when one thrws polotics into the mix, there ceases to be a 'Good Guy' or 'Bad Guy'. They simply exist to sow distrust and taxes among an unsuspecting populous.
So, in the end, America really does NEED something to galvanize it- a swift kick in the ass when we're not looking. We need someone to think of as a 'Bad Guy' , as opposed to us, the 'Good Guy'.
We used to be that, after 9/11. But War spares none- and neither does the media.
-Danny
We move for all mankind,
A million miles from everything we've ever know...
We're on their hearts and minds,
A million heads are bowed to bring us safely home...
Hemmed in by emptiness,
A million ways that everything could be undone...
THRICE RULES!!!!!!!!!
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Quote:Sigh. Can you stop being so friggin' defensive long enough to have a decent discussion? Anyway, I WISH you'd told the truth.
So Rap, have you figured out what you did wrong in both threads? -Signy
Told the truth- Auraptor
In this thread you took two examples - Churchill and Maher- and basically used them as examples of the entire "liberal" movement. So you're saying that HK, Leadb, Chrisisall and many of the other non-right-wingers in this thread would CHEER about another 9-11? What an insult. What a f*cking insult. And so false. If anything, judging by the posted article and the responses on this board, I would put THAT shoe on the right foot.
In the other thread, you said that a Kerry/ Gore Presidency "would have been worse" than Bush's in terms of expanding government. But, you know the TRUTH is that the last example of a Dem President actually SHRANK government. And once again you're not arguing reality, you're only arguing about some vision in your head. And sadly, it's not even YOUR vision.
You know, I value people tremendously who can see "the truth". It means finding and neutralizing our prejudices, setting aside the way we think things should be.. or the way we want them to be... or are afraid they might be... and being quiet enough inside to let the evidence speak to us in its own voice. Letting the world tell us about itself even if the message is initially unintepretable, or frightening, or frustrating, or even joyful.
But you.... you try to hammer everything into the shape you've been told. You wallow in propaganda, and you spray it all over reality. Try to be still. Stop yelling so loud.
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Sig...the silly assertion that it'll take another attack to unify this country was what started this thread. I suggested that not only would it NOT unify this country, that 'some' Left wingers would likely cheer on such an attack. As proof, I offered Churchill and Maher as examples where, after the first attack, Libs found ways to excuse and/ or praised the terrorist.
I wasn't speaking of ALL the Lefties, but merely giving a sample of how 'some' had already reacted. Don't get pissed at me, get pissed at the Ward Churchills and Bill Maher's of the world. No mistake made on my part. Sorry.
You base your view on what Gore or Kerry would do on what Clinton DID. They aren't Clinton, and looking at what their plans were for the country, it's a valid suggestion that they'd increase the size of Gov't. Increased gas taxes, increased income taxes.....all for what ? Raising revenue ? Cutting taxes showed a better way, but no. Gore and Kerry both want MORE control of our economy to come under the umbrella of the Gov't. No thank you.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Allie- Are you saying is that we should openly hope for what Hitler created covertly: a convenient enemy to unite us? Don't you find that a bit scary- that we would potentially value being "united" over being moral and just?
FWIW, IMHO except for blacks who have not yet been fully integrated and STILL face a lot of prejudice, first/second generation immigrants, and minorities of some religions, I don't see "ethnic heritage" as a major cause of our divisiveness. Also, division of opinion is not necessarily a bad thing. ALL nations contain diverse views.
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Quote:Auraptor, you friggin' rhetorical retard*! What you SAID was
Sig...the silly assertion that it'll take another attack to unify this country was what started this thread. I suggested that not only would it NOT unify this country, that 'some' Left wingers would likely cheer on such an attack. As proof, I offered Churchill and Maher as examples where, after the first attack, Libs found ways to excuse and/ or praised the terrorist. I wasn't speaking of ALL the Lefties, but merely giving a sample of how 'some' had already reacted. Don't get pissed at me, get pissed at the Ward Churchills and Bill Maher's of the world. No mistake made on my part. Sorry.
Quote:Not "some of the left wing" or "the far left end of the Liberal mveoment" but THE Left wing. You made exactly the same mistake in the "Chiquita banana" thread
I'd think the Left wing would be cheering for the terrorist next time.
Quote:When will you ever learn????
What you said was It is "not the job of the office of the President to keep us safe from acts of nature." You DIDN'T say "it is not the job of the office of the President to be the PRIMARY responder". Just simply ""not the job"... Next time, try not making such broad-brush statements.
But your rhetorical carelessness is reflective of your mental carelesness: In your broad-brush approach you slop the same friggin color on everything, regardless of what it really is. Quote:You seem to forget that reducing the size of government was one of Al Gore's tasks nas VP and that's exactly what he did. I appreciate a reply in the Chiquita thread.
You base your view on what Gore or Kerry would do on what Clinton DID. They aren't Clinton, and looking at what their plans were for the country, it's a valid suggestion that they'd increase the size of Gov't. Increased gas taxes, increased income taxes.....all for what ? Raising revenue ? Cutting taxes showed a better way, but no. Gore and Kerry both want MORE control of our economy to come under the umbrella of the Gov't. No thank you.
*With apologies to the retarded who really don't deserve this comparison.
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The politicos are eroding our civil rights in the name of national security, funds are being funneled into war when they should go towards education to keep us competative in the world market, and the infrastructure which is beginning to buckle...even the weather is turning against us 
No need for another 9-11; the first one did more than enough. International terrorists need only sit back and watch America at this point. They've done their job, fear is how our house of cards will fall. Hope we can turn this around....
Chrisisall
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The only way to bring this nation together is to get to the bottom of what's driving us dysfunctionally apart. (I really don't think we need complete uniformity of opinion.) And what I see is corruption, lies, greed, and sheer mental pathology at the highest levels. Not JUST in politics- altho the corruption is getting so bad the smell must be in the ozone layer by now- but in business as well. How can we come together under a system that's designed to drive us all apart? When we are all set against each other for our very survival? Heck, we kick "fellow Americans" into the gutter every day. And it doesn't seem to matter if we rape the land ahead of future "Americans". Rule of law??? HAHAHAH! What a joke! So WTF does it mean to be "an American"? That, and $1.25-$9.00 will get you a cup of coffee. No wonder we can't see eye to eye on anything; we're all too busy trying to fuck each other over.
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Simple, quit lettin em get away with it.
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?
Nobody really wants a fight, but when you are dealing with an established elite of amoral sociopaths, no appeal to conscience, morals or even the law is gonna do ya any good.
We have left but one recourse against it, but the horrific price and risks of such a thing are so awful they are almost beyond reason to even contemplate, and thus people generally choose to suffer under the yoke - till it becomes utterly unbearable.
Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
We've been down this road before, but instead of finishing the job on those damn Tory bastards, we accepted them as Federalists and let them do it to us from inside after throwing off King George.
In over 230 years, they've been little more than a countless and continual misery to everything that makes America what it is, and every truce and reconciliation with them brings us further and closer to the brink, every new "scare" just shows clearer the scorn with which they hold liberty and freedom, and so I say, it's time to give em what they really deserve, and is long overdue in the payment.
A short drop and a sudden stop.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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ALL IT TAKES IS AN INTELLIGENT, MASSIVE SHIFT IN VOTING PATTERNS. Something that even Diebold can't cover up. But that would require a whole paradigm shift, and THAT seems to be the hardest thing of all. People willingly shackle themslves for the right to get fucked over. How sad is that?
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Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
ALL IT TAKES IS AN INTELLIGENT, MASSIVE SHIFT IN VOTING PATTERNS. Something that even Diebold can't cover up. But that would require a whole paradigm shift, and THAT seems to be the hardest thing of all. People willingly shackle themslves for the right to get fucked over. How sad is that?
You mean shackle themselves to the womb to tomb mentality of the LEFT. That IS fucking sad.
Freedom will save us from the Left. Nothing less.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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