Did the alliance plan to turn River into an assasin ?
POSTED BY: dbell46
UPDATED: Saturday, April 3, 2004 03:44
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Quote:You're suggesting she was part of some remote viewing experiment? Good thought. It'd gel nicely with her eerie-ass perceptive abilities.
Originally posted by kalimeeri:
I think there are a couple of pointers, but not enough to indicate Blue Sun's purpose. First, her babbling about 'needles ... and ask me what I see', and second Mal's statement 'she's a reader'.
For you non-conspiracy buffs, remote viewing uses psychics to spy on (or just map out) different locations. They can give you detailed floorplans of enemy installations, locate lost personnel/equipment, and could even be used as undetectable (thus unhackable) long range communication.
During the Cold War, the US apparently ran a remote viewing project under the name "Project Stargate" (ironic, I know).
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I am thinking that the Blue Hands were doing research on her, but what they hoped to have as an end result, I am not sure. Assassin seems to easy an out for the plot. Of course if they tinkered enough, they would have the ultimate assassin. We have seen evidence that River can read thoughts at times, and her marksmanship w/ a firearm is downright scary.
Wren wrote:
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A question just popped into my head - if the Alliance are totally in control who would they need to assassinate and why would they need a 'special' assassin to do it?
Just because the Alliance is in control doesn't mean they don't have enemies Wren. Every government has enemies, political and otherwise, they would like to do away with at times.
Who is to say the Alliance would control her? What if it is some secret experiment of the Blue Hands?
"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."
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Ok, you guys are convincing me that assassin is not what the Alliance had in mind for River.
And the comments about her closing her eyes so she wouldn't see herself kill and how she reacted to the gun in Simon's hand in Serenity reminded me of Ariel, when Jayne is fighting the guard...River's expression during that makes it clear she is very disturbed by violence. Had forgotten how she is in that scene. When all these are put together along with her defeating Early without using any weapons, unless you count Mal as one, assassin just doesn't add up.
So now I am clueless on just what they were trying to do...LOL
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Maybe she was supposed to be multi-purposed. Someone who could do many things - pick up on the feelings of a crowd. Look into the future. Infiltrate and observe. And if you have an operative like that, they need to be able to defend themselves. Hence - proficiency of arms, tactics, etc. Less assassin and more agent.
I think it's a given they weren't able to finish with her. But...who was the super-secret organization that contacted Simon? How did they know what they knew, and how were they able to get her out, and presumably others?
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The crucifix is a torture device. ‘Nuff said.
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Have you ever read David Weber's Honor Harrington series? The main character, Honor, has this same ability. It is even talked about in the book "Feild of Dishonor" where she is at a pistol duel with an enemy and just blows him away before he can even raise his pistol.
A kind word turneth away wrath, but not as well as superior firepower
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the "reader" idea that mal said could be her main purpous. to read minds of the enemy and route out trators. she could also be a HUMAN COMPUTER. because "she just did the maths".
a possible super agent. for the blue hands.
or a test subject to see if it is possible to creat a telipah. of see what happens when a person uses more of there brain. than normal.
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Originally posted by MiloraDell:
Maybe she was supposed to be multi-purposed. Someone who could do many things - pick up on the feelings of a crowd. Look into the future. Infiltrate and observe. And if you have an operative like that, they need to be able to defend themselves. Hence - proficiency of arms, tactics, etc. Less assassin and more agent.
I think it's a given they weren't able to finish with her. But...who was the super-secret organization that contacted Simon? How did they know what they knew, and how were they able to get her out, and presumably others?
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The crucifix is a torture device. ‘Nuff said.
"Super agent" really makes more sense than anything else so far.
Though she seems as innocent and of the mentality of a child, it is obvious she is much more than that. Look at how she escaped Serenity in a space suit, space walked to Early's ship, got into said ship, and played her prank on the bounty hunter. Definitely not something just anyone could do.
"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."
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Now this is an interesting thought. The 'Blue Sun guys' are a part of the Alliance, but may be a covert offshoot or subversive part. Notice that the Alliance soldiers in "Ariel" aren't especially scared of them, and treat them as just another government employee, except elite and more powerful. And then they end up dead.
Also, if Book was a high-ranking officer in the Alliance in his former incarnation (LOL) he's smart enough to have picked up on the "hands of blue" right away.
(Sorry, my quote didn't come through)
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Originally posted by Honorbound:
Have you ever read David Weber's Honor Harrington series? The main character, Honor, has this same ability. It is even talked about in the book "Feild of Dishonor" where she is at a pistol duel with an enemy and just blows him away before he can even raise his pistol.
A kind word turneth away wrath, but not as well as superior firepower
Unless a new book has come out in the last few weeks, I've read the entire series.
That's the point that some seem to be missing,
hyperintelligence syndrome would have given River
a whole host of gifts long before the academy got
to her. If you can kill people with your brain,
there's no need for skill with firearms.
Perhaps the blue-handed duo were specially trained
enforcers for the school, rather than a desired
end product. That would explain River's overwhelming fear of them. Perhaps all that was
wanted of River and others like her was an
unstoppable intelligence gathering device.
If history is remarkably clear on one point, it's
that people never learn from history.
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