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IT Outsourcing is getting out of hand.

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UPDATED: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 15:47
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Sunday, March 28, 2004 7:58 PM

Being in IT, I'm really getting sick and tired of our jobs going overseas. Recent victims, employees of Travelocity

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A Town's Future Is Leaving the Country
By David Streitfeld Times Staff Writer

CLINTWOOD, Va. — This remote Appalachian town doesn't get many visitors, but every day it sends thousands of travelers on their way. If you buy an airline ticket off the Travelocity website and need to call with a change or a question, the phone rings here.

The Travelocity call center brought 250 jobs to a community wounded by the decline of coal mining, its mainstay for a century. It plugged the town's 1,500 residents into the global high-tech economy, offering the prospect of a secure future.

That illusion crumbled last month when Travelocity fired Clintwood, saying it would close the call center by year-end and move all the jobs to India. The Internet, far from being the town's salvation, is threatening it with collapse.


Opened fewer than three years ago, the center is the largest private employer in the county.


"I figured it would be here forever, like Wal-Mart," said Greg Owens, 29, who joined Travelocity after being laid off from a job at a private school in northern Virginia. "Most of us are just praying for something else to come in."


The closing of the call center in Clintwood and two others in nearby towns demonstrates American companies' increasing efforts to outsource jobs to India, the Philippines, Russia, Malaysia and other far-flung places.


As high-speed data cables wire the world, locales with cheap labor can gain jobs — and those with expensive labor can lose them. The call center clerks in Clintwood start at $8 an hour. In India, their replacements will earn less than a quarter of that.


These towns' struggles also show some of the difficulties that many communities will encounter if, as experts predict, outsourcing continues to grow. More than a quarter of the 2.25 million call-center jobs in the U.S. are expected to go offshore.


The towns are painfully learning that they need to develop jobs, companies and resources that can't be easily relocated. But that isn't a simple mission for low-wage, low-skilled workforces like those in Appalachia. Like much of rural America, the area has seen a brain drain for decades.


Some critics see no hope. "Unless we can reverse some of these trade inequalities, the working class will simply be ruined. They'll flip burgers, go on welfare or sell drugs," said Lewis Loflin, an adjunct professor at Virginia Highlands Community College in nearby Abingdon who runs a website criticizing the region's failed efforts at economic development.


Corporations have been moving U.S. factories to other countries for decades, but the trend has only recently caught on with office workers like those in Clintwood. Many economists contend that so-called offshoring is healthy, that dollars paid to workers in other countries ultimately return to America to be spent on goods and services.


By reducing costs, outsourcing also allows companies to lower prices, which benefits consumers. In theory, at least, companies will take their savings on labor and use the money to expand, which should ultimately include more hiring in the U.S.


All this is cold comfort for tens of millions of office workers, many of whom feel vulnerable. In this election year, offshoring has blossomed into a potent issue.


Until recently, Appalachian towns such as Clintwood were an outsourcing destination, not a victim. Companies that wanted to cut costs could hardly find a cheaper place in America. With that salary of $8 an hour plus benefits — something almost unknown in these parts for entry-level jobs — Travelocity had no trouble attracting employees.


Amanda Rose, a 19-year-old college student, left a clothing store for Travelocity. But before she could start, the Internet company announced the shutdown. Her old job already had been filled. "I had a pretty good job, then here comes this great job, and two days later I have nothing," Ro

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Tuesday, March 30, 2004 2:32 PM

It's true. I work in IT as well and this jibes with everything I've been seeing. For a long time in IT it was "do more". Now it has become "do more with less".

A friend of mine worked at a helpdesk for DuPont. The contractor (Since DuPont outsourced their entire IT department in 97. They fired the VP of IT who suggested outsourcing in 98.) canned their entire helpdesk operation in Delaware so they could send those jobs to Canada. Thank you NAFTA.

When you call Dell, you aren't talking to Texas, no matter what their commercials tell you. You are connected to India or Indonesia.

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Tuesday, March 30, 2004 2:43 PM

What pissed me off beyond repair was the Bush appointee weasle I saw on a news program last week who said "Yes, we are losing jobs to overseas - but they're low skill jobs. Americans need to update their skills to compete in the global economy."

ARGH!!!! It is friggin high-tech jobs we're losing now. These people DID update their skills. They went to school - they have what business needs. Only problem is, they expect to be paid more than a dollar a day to do it.

Business seems to think it's great to ship labor overseas. When no one has a job anymore, who is going to buy their product?

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Tuesday, March 30, 2004 3:47 PM

I think it's an incredibly bad idea to ship call-centres and customer help-lines overseas. Software development is one thing (although, I wouldn't be too keen on that either, since that's where I work!) - but for customer services it's important to be local.

I'm mean, taking Travelocity as an example - how can anyone in a different country really be sympathetic when a customer phones and says, for example, I need help re-arranging my flights because a flood's just knocked out the power and I can't get access to a computer any more.

Someone in that country would know about the flood and would be able to sympathize, put the customer at their ease, and because they have a better idea that the explanation is true they are more likely to go above and beyond normal practice to help out.


One particular example that always comes to mind for me is a conversation I overheard about the newly privatised telephone numbers for directory enquiries (in the UK) - the person had phoned one of the discount lines to find out what the number was for a local Woolworths store. The person on the other end of the line had never heard of Woolworths before so couldn't help at all. Fair enough, a person from the UK still probably couldn't have helped - not having the ability to work out where the local store was, but the fact that they would have known what Woolworths was would have help the conversation get started at least!


...sorry - long rant...


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