Wow!!! the founding fathers were right........

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UPDATED: Monday, July 16, 2007 04:08
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FREMDFIRMA

Friday, July 13, 2007 4:08 PM

They'd fire me in less than a week, Chris.

Can't have kids learning real history instead of the sanitized, propagandized public school versions, oh the horror - you'd have an armed revolt in less than a decade!

For the record tho, I *do* teach em, just not in some public school classroom.

Here, various other places, anywhere they gather to listen.

I'm sure there's at least one public school "history" teacher cursing me (although not by name since thankfully they don't know I exist) every single day, when one of thier students springs any of those 'trap-door' questions that blows up the whole premise of their argument in an eyeblink.

A big part of what I *do* is mentally arming the next generation to crush this one into the morass of history as a bad example - teaching them to think, to question, to regard with bitter and justified suspicion anything the State tells them.

As I've stated before, I intend to leave my nieces a better legacy than the sum of my generations failures and debts.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

CHRISISALL

Friday, July 13, 2007 4:25 PM

I find Dennis Leary's rant in Demolition Man to be approriate to this topic:

"I'm into freedom of speech and freedom of choice. I'm the kind of guy likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder - "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecued ribs with the side order of gravy fries?" I WANT high cholesterol. I wanna eat bacon and butter and BUCKETS of cheese, okay? I want to smoke Cuban cigars the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section. I want to run through the streets naked with green jello all over my body reading playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly might feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiener.""

Cracks me up every time Chrisisall

MISSTRESSAHARA

Saturday, July 14, 2007 3:56 AM

I just find it rather frightening that in this day and age one almost has to be anonymous or speak from the underground to protest the government for fear of being spied upon and arrested for "TREASON." Think about the 60's and how open those people could be about Vietnam and Nixon and not fear anything more than some days incarceration (ok, maybe mace in the face, a hit from a billie club or two and a permanant record, not that it did anything) the point is people felt free enough and had NO FEAR to say "We don't believe in our gonvernment or President or this damn war and we want it stopped." People could gather in large numbers at campases or public areas, chanting and demanding change, and they got it. They made a difference. History showed that THE PEOPLE REALLY DO HAVE THE POWER TO HOLD THEIR GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABLE.

But these days if you even utter the words, then your Anti-American, Treasonist, worst, against God (I don't think God really want's to be known as supporting these people) I've watched from the beggining and I can only say, from what I've seen, the policies that have been implemented and the measures taken to lessen peoples liberties day in and out and the power that's shifted more towards the government corporation, your headed for date with George Orwell. You might want to consider that revolt.

All we are saying, is give peace a chance (and give us back our right's you fascist copo's)

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 14, 2007 4:59 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
98% of the history I now know was learned AFTER High School and college!!!!!

Heh.... Pretty much 98% I know about anything period I learned after I went to school.

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Frem:
For the record tho, I *do* teach em, just not in some public school classroom.

Here, various other places, anywhere they gather to listen.

A modern day Socrates.

Chrisisall.... great rant man. Great movie too.

Great post MistressSahara.

You're right.... Think the only reason why I haven't had a visit from the thought police myself yet is because I'm as open about my thoughts in real life as I am here and there would be people very suspicious of my dissappearance, or should i have an "accident" of sorts.

Needless to say, I have about as many friends in real life as I do in the blogs that I post. The few I do, I place a great deal of faith in and I feel are some of the finest people I've had the pleasure of knowing. People don't want to hear the truth, at least the truth the way I see it, as long as they have some money in their pocket and a new Super Hero movie or sporting event to watch.

Lotsa times I post something and wonder if I've gone too far. I know all of these posts are being read by somebody at some alphabet agency, or at the very least, archived to be read later... on taxpayer dollars, no doubt. That and I got my big mug right there watermarking every post of mine. If they come for me, I hope that they do it in front of people and I will muster all of my courage and take up my best Ghandi stance while I wish them to brutalize me so it can be captured on cell phones and put on YouTube.

But I know better.... If they ever really wanted me, I'd just won't wake up one morning after my heart mysteriously stopped beating in the middle of the night.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

FREMDFIRMA

Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:47 AM

Screw Ghandi, I'd go Leonidas.
Molon Labe.

Ask yourself why Ed Brown is still kickin and the Branch Davidians ain't.

Then go read The Weapon Shops of Isher, by A.E. Van Vogt.

That's why the feddies hate the 2nd amendment, cause when it comes right down to it, facing someone both willing and ABLE to resist, that they must then invest *enough* effort to take them, and pull the nice polite mask off for all to see.

Financially, Politically, and Logistically, they simply cannot afford to do that, and they know it.

Much easier to remove the means of that resistance, than to crush it with force, and so under many guises, that is what they do.

They WANT you to knuckle under and defeat yourself, to bend the knee, kiss the ring, and take the kings shilling while you bend over the sawhorse for em.... cause when they DO come up against someone who will go down swingin, all the polite bullshit comes apart, and they're exposed as what government really is, pure force, aimed at YOU, and ME... to make US do THEIR will.

Cause in the end, that's all it really is.

-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

AURAPTOR

Saturday, July 14, 2007 2:05 PM

Decent video, but it really does some major reaching with its misplaced and covnoluted associations of quotes to modern day events. Still, all Americans or anyone, could do themselves a favor and become familiar w/ the Founding Fathers, what they said,what they MEANT, and what they risked to give us this great nation.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

CHRISISALL

Sunday, July 15, 2007 4:56 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Still, all Americans or anyone, could do themselves a favor and become familiar w/ the Founding Fathers, what they said,what they MEANT, and what they risked to give us this great nation.

*Agreeing with AU...checking for fever, disorientation...*

...Chrisisall....{?)

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, July 15, 2007 10:21 PM

Take his post in entire context Chris.

Sounds like more of the "Yeah, that's what they SAID, but what they REALLY meant is..." kinda stuff to me.

I could be wrong, and if so, apologies, but same as Pat Henry, my feet are guided by the lamp of previous experience in this case.

The Founding Fathers put it pretty plain for posterity where they stood on many issues and why, and for that we should be very grateful, for this makes it difficult for future administrations to silence them.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

AURAPTOR

Monday, July 16, 2007 12:22 AM

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The Founding Fathers put it pretty plain for posterity where they stood on many issues and why, and for that we should be very grateful, for this makes it difficult for future administrations to silence them.

-Frem

And it should also be remembered that the same Founding Fathers, didn't all agree on all issues all the time. Just so you had some perspective.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

FREMDFIRMA

Monday, July 16, 2007 12:33 AM

Of course, did I not point that out at the very beginning of this thread ?

Hell, those very arguments were the anvil this goverment was originally hammered out on, so they're a key part of our history that really should be present, in detail, in our classrooms.

Not that I agree with Hamilton or Madison, mind you, but all of our founders raised good points worthy of inspection, and unlike current leaders, explained both the point and the reasoning behind it in great detail - THAT is something we should demand from current leaders and develop the patience to listen to.

It's not whether folks agree, it's whether they understand.

-F

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