And one shall surely DIE!!!

POSTED BY: Duke
UPDATED: Saturday, March 27, 2004 00:59
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CAPTAINCDC

Friday, March 26, 2004 7:05 PM

I agree that on a Joss Whedon show anyone can die at any time. In fact, I think he said on a commentary for the ep where Jenny Calendar was killed in season two of Buffy, that he did it to show viewers and the cast that no one was safe (except Willow). Having said that, I would really hate to see any of the nine get the ax. I do love them so, but there in lies the drama.

I do think it would be very interesting if Book turned out to be like you said Mal's adversary in the Battle of Serenity Valley. The fact that Book was getting religion while Mal was losing his during the same battle could be very compelling if Mal and Zoe find out about it (if it turned out to be true of course).

Oh well, that is why I am going to go see the movie (probably multiple times), to find out the answers to all of these questions. I for one cannot wait. Keep flyin' ,fellow Browncoats, all the way to the multiplex. And we'll find out together.

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

ARDEN

Friday, March 26, 2004 7:10 PM

This whole River resurrecting people concept is pretty heavy... It's never a small thing in any work of fiction to have a living character touch a dead character and resurrect them. While this has major dramatic effect, it can also be dangerous in that thematically this leads the character into the inevitable "Christ-figure" status for many viewers, whether such comparisons are intended or not. And seriously, what do you think Book would do if he saw a young girl raise someone from the dead with but a touch? While his past is obviously shady, we've seen nothing yet to make us believe that his faith is anything but true. Book's not the type of clergy who is looking around for a messiah, but he'd be in a difficult spot if an alleged miracle-worker was in his midst. While I can't specifically recall any New Testament references on the show (feel free to point them out if I missed), it seems clear that Book is some kind of Judeo-Christian minister, and though the bible may have changed 500 years from now (considering how much it's evolved in the last 1500 or so due to repeated translation), there's always a mention of a messiah in there somewhere...

I think Justme's concept of her "talking someone back from the edge" has a little more of the show's feel to it. While admittedly we have no idea of the true extent of River's powers, from what we do know they seem to be psychic or telepathic ablities. Therefore, if River had to telepathically coax the last fraction of someone's deep consciousness into not slipping away into death, I think we could see a really powerful dramatic moment for everyone. River's been very much the "whipping-girl" for many of the crew, since she seems to have no real function among them. Everyone aboard has some kind of specific profession or skill that keeps Serenity flying and the crew safe. Even Book helps out where he can, and he's proven that he's willing to break laws if it means he'll be doing the right thing. But River is just "the moon-brained sister" right now to many of the crew, despite her actions in Objects in Space. I think we could see a lot of interesting character interation if it becomes apparent that, had she not been there, someone would have died. Even Mal would be hard-pressed not to see some act of Fate in her being on-board. But who knows? Fate may not be a theme that Joss wants to deal with: from what we've seen, the show is more about people relying on each other than trusting in some divine power.

I still don't think that anyone will permanently die in the film, but this whole "psychic rescue on the brink of death" concept has me intrigued.

You got a wife? All I got is that dumbass
stick sounds like its raining.

PEACE

Friday, March 26, 2004 9:07 PM

This is Joss-- somebody's gonna die. Probably not in the first movie, but maybe in the second, and definitely if this thing goes back to a series. If there are any doubters out there, think on Fred's fate (I still cloud up about it at odd times).

My three top potential corpses: Jayne, Inara, and Kaylee. I include Kaylee because she would hurt the most, and Joss has shown a capability of hitting us where we hurt the most before now. I understand everything that everyone has said about her being "Willow" and therefore safe, but, again, Joss is one of those writers who is willing to do what it takes to surprise his audience. If the story demanded it, I have no doubt Joss would eliminate Kaylee. Maximum pain = maximum storytelling-- that's something I learned from Joss.

Doesn't mean I won't cry when it happens....

Oh, bugger! Now I have to wait for someone to wake up!

KARENKAY99

Friday, March 26, 2004 9:39 PM

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Originally posted by Arden:
This whole River resurrecting people concept is pretty heavy...

didn't joss say in one of the commentaries 'psychic was as far as he was going to go'

"They say the snow on the roof is too heavy. They say the ceiling will cave in. His brains are in terrible danger."

MCFLY

Friday, March 26, 2004 9:40 PM

Hey All! This is my first post here. First I'd like to say this site rocks and all you browncoats rule.

As for dying... all I can say is that I'd hate to be the guy who has to tell Nathan Fillion, or any other cast member for that matter, that they have to 'take one for the team' and won't be around to see the glorious day when Firefly returns to it's rightful place on our televisions each week. These people obviously adore the show and would probably give up an important body part just to be able to come to work and fly aboard Serenity every day. To kill them now just when things are starting to look up just adds insult to injury.

That's now... as for the future, it's anyone's guess.

ITSALLSHINY

Friday, March 26, 2004 10:38 PM

I'd hate to see River turned into some sort of wonder girl. Right now, she functions (in terms of the show) to display how honorable Mal is and highlights his stance against Alliance. (Alliance wants 'em -- screw that, they're coming with us!) She's the innocent lamb with a twist, and as such, she's much like Kaylee in providing heart to the show. You might say Kaylee is the active subjective heart, while River is the passive objective heart.

All that would change dramatically if River gained super powers. I mean, if River really can "kill with her mind" and "raise the dead" then there isn't any reason for Mal to keep her on the ship -- and no reason for Simon to stay, either, as River could better protect them both than Mal and crew. We already know Simon would rather be elsewhere -- it's one of the creative tensions on the show. No, having River become super girl would just weaken the show.

Joss carefully crafted Firefly from the beginning to have 9 major players for specific reasons. I don't see him killing any of them off, especially in the movie, because he hasn't exhausted their usefullness to the story by a long shot. Yes, Joss has a way of bringing his characters back from the dead, but even he can only do that so many times. Any dramatic effect from such killing could be better served by other devices. I would lay money on it not happening for a very long time.

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"No touching guns!"

SPOOKYDONKEY

Saturday, March 27, 2004 12:59 AM

A lot of people have pointed out that Joss has a tendency to bring characters back from the dead, but there are some things that need to be taken into account in regards to Firefly/Serenity.

For Alien: Resurection, Joss was given a mandate from the powers that be at Fox to find a way to bring Ellen Ripley back into Alien series after her death in Alien 3. Joss moved heaven and earth to bring her back because he was hired to. He was tasked with it; it wasn't really his choice to do so.

In the Buffy/Angel universe pillar-of-heaven-shaking, apocolypse-inducing supernatural forces are an inherent part of the world, giving the writers all the necessary tools to break the rules where things like death are concerned. For Buffy/Angel then, resurection is, as I like to say, "in the toy box."

Firefly on the other hand, is different. The established "rules" of how the Firefly universe works are more down to earth. Something as fantastic as raising the dead goes against the entire "feel" of the show. Therefore, the writers can't pull that particular trick out of Firefly's toy box without straining credibility to the breaking point.

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