We're celebrating what, again ?
POSTED BY: Fremdfirma
UPDATED: Thursday, January 9, 2025 00:43
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Is anyone else pissed that this so-called holiday has become about the most hypocritical joke EVER?
Celebrating WHAT fucking "freedom" ?
The "freedom" to be declared an enemy combatant and sent off for "extraordinary rendition" ?
The "freedom" to be harrassed and spied upon ?
The "freedom" to be shaken down and felt up by the TSA ?
I'm very tempted to go outside a run a goddamn Gadsden flag up the pole - but I can't take the risk of being arrested and having my home seized for "Terrorism"... ain't that a fuckin laugh ?
And just in case you don't get the core reasons for my annoyance, here they are.
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IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
Gee, that sounds awfully familiar, doesn't it ?
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
Can you say "signing statements" ? I knew you could
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
I believe we call that the Greater Washington DC area, yes ?
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
Care to check the timestamps on recent Congressional Votes, especially tight ones ?
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
Of course, simply ignoring them has the same effect, cause he's 'the decider' yanno
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
Huh ? what ? since when have the People had any authority.. oh wait...?
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
Or simply ignored the la
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Ergo, in the end, we have accomplished NOTHING, save to replace one King George with another, and celebrating a lie of this magnitude disgusts me utterly, with rabid patriotism and ignorant self-imposed deliberate and malicious blindness ruling the day as they cheer on the death of liberty.
Among other deformities, it has an awful squinting; it squints toward monarchy, and does not this raise indignation in the breast of every true American? Your president may easily become king. Your Senate is so imperfectly constructed that your dearest rights may be sacrificed to what may be a small minority; and a very small minority may continue for ever unchangeably this government, altho horridly defective.
I say unto you, fuck the 4th, and the lies that come with it.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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There's a lovely piece on The Nation's editorial page, accessible thru yahoo. opinions, about Thomas Paine, advocating the original Revolution, and advising Congress to impeach Cheney and Bush.
Meanwhile, best we can hope for is that there is an election only 18 months away, so these guys aren't in charge for life.
And hurrah for the Gadsden flag, a better symbol for America, actually, than the Stars and Stripes.
" There's always a difference, the difference between bad and worse, which is much sharper than the difference between bad and better."
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Let me first say that I'm not entirely unsympathetic to your views. The reach and power of the Imperial Federal Government has extended well beyond what the Founding Fathers had in mind. I'm not so paranoid that I think that my mail is being read or my phone conversations are being listened to by men in black. , but there are problems.
It's clear from the latest immigration bill skirmish , that there are many in D.C. who consider themselves the top of the food chain, and that the rest of us should be lucky we're allowed what freedoms we still have.
I believe it was Benjamin Franklin who said that we have been given a Republic, now it's up to us to keep it.
I wonder what he'd think of us now.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
There's a lovely piece on The Nation's editorial page, accessible thru yahoo. opinions, about Thomas Paine, advocating the original Revolution, and advising Congress to impeach Cheney and Bush.
Meanwhile, best we can hope for is that there is an election only 18 months away, so these guys aren't in charge for life.
I trust some will still be as vigilant toward our freedoms should the Democrats take over the White House, and control Congress as well. For it is their plans which truly are designed to strip us of our rights. ( Fairness Doctrine, for example ) There's nothing at all which Cheney or Bush have done to warrant impeachment, though I do understand such talk is inevitable. It is all that some simpletons can muster, when trying to voice some sort of contrary opinion. Lacking the mental capacity to formulate rational thought, they instead simply blurt out "Impeach" . Though if asked 'why?', they could not say.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Whooa, back up the turkey truck son... now lookahere.
Whatisdis wit playin the gestapo an tryin to scare folk outta the thread?
I say, i say, i say, it's downright unseemly son, skedaddle off a minnit and siddown.
Strikes me a bit fancy that yer talkin outta both sides o yer mouth, cause ya ain't talkin no sense sayin two differin things in the same breath, ya hear?
Ya come straight out and go denyin that us poor fool americans are gettin spied upon by the gubbermint, when it's been right as rain admitted by the plumb fool idjits that what did it in the first place!
An on top o that you go on blamin the dimmocrats for strippin us of our freedoms, not sayin they didn't help push the ball along son, but ain't them what started it in motion, I say, I say, son..
Don't get on a-thinkin that noboddy luvs them dimmocrats no more than any other buncha plumb fools up on da hill polishin chairs with their backside for a livin, ya all steamed up bout all the wrong things ya ask me...
An the nerve! ya go on tellin folk they dun nuttin impeachable ? whyfor ya kin see it a mile away that they did, I say, I say! even I kin name a hunnert things, but let's keep it simple and go with what put an end to tricky dick - when da con-gress send ya a letter called a SUB-PEE-NOE, it means cough up the goods ye damn fool, er yer gonna go ta JAIL, is what it is, I say, I say there...
An to top it all off, ya go an be insultin to them fair folks who be wantin justice done, such as it is around here these days, I got half a mind to get me a willa stick and learn ya good about mistreatin yer peers, now shaddap an set a spell, and let other folks chime in ya greedy damn fool !
I'm Foghorn Leghorn, and I be approvin of this message, I say I say I say...
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
There's nothing at all which Cheney or Bush have done to warrant impeachment, though I do understand such talk is inevitable. It is all that some simpletons can muster, when trying to voice some sort of contrary opinion. Lacking the mental capacity to formulate rational thought, they instead simply blurt out "Impeach" . Though if asked 'why?', they could not say.
I wrote out a long post about the many, "Why"s but realized the important thing was not, "Why?" but instead your statement, "There's nothing at all which Cheney or Bush have done to warrant impeachment."
That statement really shows you don't know what impeachment is all about. No one ever needs to do something to be impeached. If you needed to do something wrong before you could be impeached then article two section four would not read, "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors," because if you had to be known to be guilty first there would be no need for a conviction.
Conviction is only necessary if the Constitution allows people to be impeached without doing anything wrong.
What is required is not for Bush or Cheney to have committed "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors" but instead for there to be a distinct and visible possibility that they may have committed such things.
Bush admits to warrantless wiretapping, some people believe that this qualifies as such while Bush maintains that it is legal. The next logical step is to draft articles of impeachment. Then the House is to debate the case for and against, in this case whether or not is possible that warrantless wiretapping might qualify as grounds for dismissal. If the House votes for impeachment then, and only then, does the question of whether or not Bush really did anything wrong come up. In this case the question is not whether or not he did it but whether or not it was wrong, more specifically whether or not it is grounds for removal from office under Article II Section IV.
It should be noted that the question of whether or not the subject did anything wrong comes up in the Senate, where as impeachment or lack there of is determined in the House.
On the side of Cheney you've got a question of involvement in bribery. That he accepted the money is not in question, nor is the fact that he lied about accepting the money. (Though, it should be noted, there was debate on whether or not you can call publicly and willfully denying what he knew to be true can described using the word, "Misled.") The only ambiguity lies in whether or not the money was a bribe. This question has never been resolved.
What is supposed to happen next is simple. The House weighs the evidence, but does not consider the guilt or innocence of Cheney or even whether or not Cheney may have done anything wrong. It determines whether or not the evidence warrants a trial, and votes. If the vote is for impeachment then, and only then, does what Cheney did or did not do come into play.
You are skipping the entire process and pronouncing them innocent before it is even determined whether or not there should be a trial. We've seen this happen before. I remember just recently the Attorney General said that he knew nothing was done improperly in a certain place at a certain time in spite of not knowing what was done or how it was done and, in fact, not knowing what the certain place and the time were. He also stated that he didn't know who was involved.
If the top lawyer in the country can know that everything was above board without knowing who, what, where, when or how it doesn't surprise me that you can know the President and Vice President have done nothing to warrant something you need to do nothing in order for it to be warranted, but I have to ask:
Why don't you want to see them proven innocent?
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We're celebrating our freedom from oppressive foreign powers that want to tell us how to live. We're celebrating our victorious rebellion against an overwhelming imperial force from overseas.
uh...
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I'm Foghorn Leghorn, and I be approvin of this message, I say I say I say...
Only one appropriate reply to that: " Are ya gonna come along peacable, er am I gonna hafta muss ya up?"
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