And one shall surely DIE!!!

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AURANI

Friday, March 26, 2004 2:12 AM

Nobody's mentioned the one that seems the most obvious to me.

Jayne dies to save River.

He's betrayed her. Mal and Simon have done what they can to show him the error of his ways.

So things are bad, River's about to buy it, and Jayne does the noble thing.

(Or he tries to run away and accidently gets in the line fire, becoming the Hero of Serenity in much the same way that he became the Hero of Canton.)

FIREFLYTHEMOVIE

Friday, March 26, 2004 4:03 AM

No way does Kaylee die. Joss has compared Kaylee to Willow on numerous occasions--she's the one who's the soul of the show. She gets hurt, you not only see it in her face, you feel it yourself. And Joss has also said, on numerous occasions, things like, "Alyson is so good at this. I say over and over, I'm never gonna kill her, but I put her in danger, and everyone gets really scared."

KALIMEERI

Friday, March 26, 2004 12:27 PM

I don't think anybody needs to die. For one thing, it's too early in the series. Each one of the characters still has a role to play in the story, and their individual plot lines have not been fully explored. River's actual contribution to the crew hasn't even been tapped.

Second, I don't think it's necessary. A loss of any kind would suffice, in a closely-knit group like this. I could foresee some serious marital difficulties between Wash & Zoe, and that could be traumatic. But the most likely scenario is the loss of Inara just by leaving. This could provide justification for Mal exploring more of the "dark side," because he needs her.

Jen dao mei.

SPOOKYDONKEY

Friday, March 26, 2004 2:09 PM

While I'm of the same opinion as Arden, that it's still a tad early to be bumping our beloved cast off, I still think the possibility exsists. And quite frankly, I don't think Kaylee is as safe as many of you presume. Joss evidently likes the character of Kaylee quite a bit, but in Joss-land, that just puts the character in that much more danger.

Buffy - Killed twice (with disturbing footage of three months worth of decay to boot for death number 2).

Tara - Permenantly dead. Killed right in front of Willow (which in it's own way temporarily "killed" the Willow we all know and love)

Fred - Her SOUL was destroyed. Quite frankly, the most distressing and permenant end to any Joss character to date.

All of these were characters that Joss had expressed an extra level of affection for at some point.

The man is, quite frankly, driven to destroy that which he loves most.

Sick mind? Nah... Just good storytellin'!

BROWNCOAT1

Friday, March 26, 2004 2:26 PM

I would hope that Joss would not destroy Serenity. Not only is she home to the crew, she is the symbol of freedom and independence that Mal has clung to since first seeing her. He refused to leave her, instead choosing to die onboard in OoG which goes a long way in saying just how much emotionally he has tied up in Serenity.

It sure is interesting to banter around ideas of whether or not someone from the crew might die.

Thinking more on it, I don't think Joss would kill any of them off, at least not in the movie. Perhaps if it returned to TV we might see one of them die, or appear to die, in a season finale or something. I don't think he would do it in the movie, unless he planned a sequel.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

KALIMEERI

Friday, March 26, 2004 2:46 PM

Well, if he 'killed' Serenity, we'd have to call the whole thing something else. Nah.

Jen dao mei.

JUSTME

Friday, March 26, 2004 3:07 PM

Mal has already died once. In "War Stories".

This is Joss we're talking about here. Just 'cause you die doesn't mean you're gone.

This echos something I was thinking, how about a mix of previous ideas, like someone dies and then we find out how powerfull river is when she BRINGS HIM/HER BACK!? Possibly Jayne, thus changing his attitude toward her *completely*. (Maybe even making it worse if he later claimns he wanted to "go out a hero" or some such)

Also, I don't think Zoe is completely safe; after having seen the anger in Wash's eyes when going to get Mal out and *get* Niska, imagine how much more intense he would get if Niska had Zoe killed.

Kaylee also could go if River took her place. (after all she did melt into Serenity once, that should give her all kinds of empathy with her ship ;-)

But I think hoping for a new series trumps them all. I predict no permanent(see theory one above) deaths among the nine.

Just my $1.75 (Gorram inflation!)
JustMe

CYBERSNARK

Friday, March 26, 2004 4:31 PM

Jayne's death is certainly foreshadowed, what with Zoe's "anyone we can't spare" comment.

Don't forget the minor characters.

There's Badger, who the Blue Hands might manage to associate with the people who blasted out of Ariel with River (as you know that they must have Serenity ID'd by now as accomplices --they're just too ominously competent not to).

Also, Saffron could reappear. We've speculated that Early could've survived. And Niska seems to be the major mover-and-shaker in the rim; putting him in the same boat as Badger if the Blue Hands tumble to his connection to Serenity.

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BROWNCOAT1

Friday, March 26, 2004 5:04 PM

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Originally posted by justme:
Mal has already died once. In "War Stories".

True, although briefly.

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This is Joss we're talking about here. Just 'cause you die doesn't mean you're gone.

True again. Joss has a knack for finding the loop hole in the whole death thing.

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This echos something I was thinking, how about a mix of previous ideas, like someone dies and then we find out how powerfull river is when she BRINGS HIM/HER BACK!? Possibly Jayne, thus changing his attitude toward her *completely*. (Maybe even making it worse if he later claimns he wanted to "go out a hero" or some such)

Now that is an angle I had not thought of JustMe. Someone dies, the whole crew is there, starts to grieve or what have you, and along comes River. She reaches down, touches them, and they come back w/ a big gasp and a spasm. If it was Jayne that would be some true irony, and would start an interesting debt of honor between the two of them. The Chinese believe that if you save someone's life you are responsible for that person. Wonder if that philosophy carries over to the Firefly verse. That would make for some interesting scripts.

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Also, I don't think Zoe is completely safe; after having seen the anger in Wash's eyes when going to get Mal out and *get* Niska, imagine how much more intense he would get if Niska had Zoe killed.

Zoe's death would greatly effect both Wash and Mal. Zoe is the only war "buddy" that Mal has left. They have been through Hell together and would die for one another if need be. I think that Mal & Wash would grieve, and perhaps grow closer after the death of Zoe, but I don't think either would ever recover.

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Kaylee also could go if River took her place. (after all she did melt into Serenity once, that should give her all kinds of empathy with her ship ;-)

I would hate to see Kaylee go, but I think they could always find another mechanic. Of course they could never replace Kaylee. She is like a little sister to Mal, a friend to Inara, and despite her past carnal experiences in the engine room, she portrays innocence, almost a naive youngster, of the crew, the one everyone wants to protect.

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But I think hoping for a new series trumps them all. I predict no permanent(see theory one above) deaths among the nine.

Just my $1.75 (Gorram inflation!)
JustMe

I agree. I don't see any permanent deaths amongst the crew.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

JUSTME

Friday, March 26, 2004 5:56 PM

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Now that is an angle I had not thought of JustMe. Someone dies, the whole crew is there, starts to grieve or what have you, and along comes River. She reaches down, touches them, and they come back w/ a big gasp and a spasm. If it was Jayne that would be some true irony, and would start an interesting debt of honor between the two of them. The Chinese believe that if you save someone's life you are responsible for that person. Wonder if that philosophy carries over to the Firefly verse. That would make for some interesting scripts.

I didn't say it would be easier for her, just possible. Maybe she has to 'talk the person back' after Simon has done all he could medically and declared him/her dead?

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Zoe's death would greatly effect both Wash and Mal. Zoe is the only war "buddy" that Mal has left. They have been through Hell together and would die for one another if need be. I think that Mal & Wash would grieve, and perhaps grow closer after the death of Zoe, but I don't think either would ever recover.

But first the two would UTTERLY DESTROY whoever did it.

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I would hate to see Kaylee go, but I think they could always find another mechanic. Of course they could never replace Kaylee. She is like a little sister to Mal, a friend to Inara, and despite her past carnal experiences in the engine room, she portrays innocence, almost a naive youngster, of the crew, the one everyone wants to protect.

I'm not sure I agree that Kaylee is just 'another mechanic', she's more like the positive spirit of the ship. I'd say it's her perkiness that keeps Mal from being too grim. There's also the little sister angle, imagine the cold fury from Mal if Kaylee was killed!

Great story telling potential, but I don't think they'll use it yet.

Just Me

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